From my point of view, the most relevant one (and by far, in the sense that it is the one I would personally take most into account) is that of the general public. Other types of opinions are certainly useful, but if the first one is good, the others are somewhat secondary.
I believe your piece could also be very successful with a general audience, which perhaps is not very present on a thematic forum.
...Exactly, one of the reasons why subjects like this exist....
Perhaps, for the general public, it didn't mean exactly this, but simply those who are "laypeople." In my case, I took what Bianca wrote (but also Frank's question, in a sense: "are you satisfied?") as an invitation not to let myself get too caught up in the fact that it must be well-made from a technical standpoint, rather than having to also be expressive (or even just pleasant). Music cannot appeal only to musicians, I think.
I understand CromaDiBrera, it's not your case, but the fact that music is well-written doesn't change anything for laypeople... it's just a matter of honesty. Your piece works and is written much better than other pieces of junk circulating on the Web, so no problem..... however, if it were further refined, what would change for the greengrocer under my house? Nothing! That's why if one lets oneself go and lapses into the mediocrity praised by Bianca, circus-like phenomena are created...
Oh come no, come no, nobody has praised mediocrity... Besides, out of curiosity, I was just listening to one of his piano pieces posted here for a workshop. He really knows how to write, and his tastes are anything but "mediocre." I mean, we are in a forum of people who make music...
I am glad, Croma, that you took my opinion in the right direction. Frankly, I hadn't understood the tone Ettore wanted to use from his first post. My comment, even though I find it incorrect to discuss it in a topic dedicated to a piece by Croma, actually implies consequences with which one may disagree, but which are anything but indifferent...
What I don't understand is why a piece not intended for professionals could potentially be unrefined... claiming that musicians' opinions are useless if people like something anyway only leads in one direction. The place is always right if there is some non-shareable statement... unless you have changed your mind (Bianca), perhaps the suggestions of other colleagues are useful
What I don't understand is why a piece not intended for professionals could potentially be unrefined... claiming that the opinions of musicians are useless if people like something anyway only leads in one direction. The point is always valid if there is some non-shareable statement... unless you changed your mind (Bianca), perhaps the suggestions of other colleagues are useful
dear Ettore, why do you think I believe that a piece should not be refined? personally I believe quite the opposite, and not just regarding music. Much less do I claim that the opinions of musicians, as well as those of critics, are absolutely useful to other musicians, regardless of what people like. But I do not confuse mediation with my aesthetics, that's all. In every individual there is (potentially) a composer, a critic and a naive listener, then there is the sheeple (who is not the naive listener). The "end" of art is the third individual, the first two are just a means, the fourth an obstacle. If you understand this perhaps you will also understand my comment, otherwise we can talk about it, but elsewhere, without usurping Croma's topic.
Technique is not mediation and is usually at the service of aesthetics....poor technique, unlistenable piece...the media will surely pull out all the stops to make this particular phenomenon appreciated, don't you worry.
But what does that have to do with what you said the first time and my response. Some forum users give intelligent suggestions and you end up saying that if it appeals to a non-expert audience, the suggestions of a specialized forum (and thus those who went through the trouble of providing them) count for nothing.
If you changed your mind, okay... just say so. But that is the gist of it.
If you are interested in the subject, open a new topic instead of counter-arguing HERE, constantly adding new stuff to the discussion...just because you don't want to disfigure CromaDiBrera's topic. (It's not like I have to open it now, eh!). Besides, I find his piece pleasant... so what?
(but also Frank's question, in a sense: "are you satisfied?") as an invitation not to let myself get too caught up in the fact that it must be well-made from a technical standpoint, rather than having to also be expressive (or even just pleasant).
I meant that everyone must learn to be their own doctor in the sense that one of the paths to becoming a composer is understanding where a piece does not work and knowing how to deploy those tools to solve the problem itself. If you don't have the means or, even worse, the awareness of where you are... you will never improve.
Obviously, I am not referring directly to you, but I enjoy reading self-analyses
Furthermore, given the Bianca/Ettore discussion, I think that the fact that a piece is technically correct does nothing to diminish expressiveness or pleasantness....on the contrary, the opposite can only do harm. I don't know, doesn't a Chopin nocturne seem expressive and pleasant to you, but also technically perfect?
Therefore, never let your guard down; allow yourself to be carried away by your emotions, but express them with full awareness and in a decorous manner
Forum members give intelligent suggestions and you end up saying that if it appeals to a non-expert audience, the suggestions of a specialized forum (those who went through the trouble of providing them) count for nothing.
[...]. that is the gist of it.
I did not interpret it this way and I do not believe Bianca intended to say this. I did not feel invited to either settle for my technique or to disregard the suggestions in this forum. I simply believe that Bianca noticed that my piece also lingers on an attempt to be catchy and that, in relation to this, it might appeal to a "more generic audience". I found the discussion regarding different possible levels of judgment to be logical: it is one thing to do an exercise for a workshop, where technical matters are essential and perhaps matter more than any other aspect; it is another to be in a context like this section, where a general impression can easily be added to technical suggestions, or where one can suggest the placement and usability of a proposed piece. To me, these seemed like considerations in addition to, rather than in subtraction from, the others (which I have meditated on carefully and for which I am equally grateful).
i think the fact that a piece is technically correct does not detract from its expressiveness or pleasantness....on the contrary, the opposite can only do harm. I don't know, doesn't a Chopin nocturne seem expressive and pleasant to you, but also technically perfect?
I believe we are all somewhat in agreement here on the fact that technique can only enhance a musical idea. However, technique is composed of various aspects, not all of which are reducible to the same criteria: certainly Chopin is expressive, pleasant, and technically perfect; but the idea of technique in Satie's Gymnopedies or Debussy's Preludes, for example, is different. My piece, to return to the point, seems somewhat inconsistent to me on a stylistic level, and therefore also in the choice of the reference technique.
Then there remains the fact that, upon closer inspection, it is full of actual errors (doublings of sevenths, thirds, etc.). One should never be in a hurry to let a piece be heard, and in fact I have already corrected it in several places compared to the sheet music in the video, thanks also to what you have kindly pointed out or suggested to me. But, in short, I find comments of all kinds and at every level useful.
I updated the "thing", using a lot of effort, patience, study, etc. I hope you like it more than the previous version, because I really tried to take into account every one of your suggestions...
As I wrote on Facebook, except for one point that I must clarify, this version sounds better. Even the bassoon part has improved specifically in the details.
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I like it very much....coming from Clara Iannotta....I didn't hope to find better
Iannotta is a "real" composer... She makes music that is much more complex than this simple and catchy theme of mine. However, if you liked it, I am very happy
