Siae - Consequences Of Unsubscribing...

Unfortunately, I think (and it should be this way) that the termination of the "mandate" to SIAE entails the cancellation of everything that has been deposited up to that point; that is how it works for the OLAF section, and I don't think it changes for the music section.

I wouldn't know of any solid alternatives; it has always been said that it is actually possible to mail oneself a sealed envelope containing the music one has written, but even if that were the case, imagine that it must once be taken as evidence (years ago SIAE told me that it is possible to provide any proof, beyond their own registers), what happens if a person suffers (real) plagiarism again?

The envelope we would have mailed to ourselves would obviously no longer be valid because it is already open; this is just my opinion, of course, but I imagine that is exactly how it is, and I don't even know if one can use different copies of the same piece, for example self-mailed, as valid evidence (which in theory they would be, though one would have to see how they twist it in case of plagiarism), but it could always happen, and how many would we have to mail, dozens?

So, more than one problem arises right here.

The notary—I advise against this because I have never heard of such practices, I mean properly set up, and are they even valid?

And at what price?

There is Creative Commons, which allows one to maintain copyright even if no compensation is received, but it is not retroactive.

There are also other methods similar to Creative Commons; years ago I read about a website where you could register, and by providing a registration code and documentation to print, you could upload your own music, but then I thought: even if I have paper proof of the registration, if the site is blocked, closed, or suffers damage and the server goes down, do you recover the data?

In short, it's a real mess.

I think that surely by withdrawing deposits and canceling the association with SIAE, all rights are lost, which in the end are two: the copyright and the remunerative right; and they, in case of plagiarism, provide—they limit themselves to providing only the documentation related to the deposit date, that's it. Instead, if the matter were properly set up, SIAE should make use of a pool of lawyers specifically specialized in these matters, who truly protect their members (obviously in a legal way and not in a way that privileges one member just because they are one, and perhaps someone who is not a member and actually wrote a piece before the first one).

...after all, piracy is everywhere

Reporting

Singers united against digital piracy

From Battiato to Gino Paoli in defense of young authors - Fem

http://video.corrier...59-e67ffe640cb1

Let's discuss it

As far as I know, the authorship of a creative work cannot be alienated without the author expressly declaring that they are not the author themselves: the law protects copyright regardless of registration with a society of authors, so I don't see how this right can cease to exist by being removed from SIAE.

Regardless of this discussion, I should inform myself better because there are some issues that "don't add up" for me, which I am throwing here onto the discussion table:

1) Not paying the annual fee does NOT result in cancellation from SIAE (and of this I am certain);

2) Unregistered tracks by an associated author are virtually considered to be under the competence of SIAE (it is so true that it would not be possible, for members, to distribute tracks with Creative Commons, as SIAE is also entrusted with the mandate of intermediation between authors and users);

3) When registering with a society of authors (not just SIAE), one expressly asks if they have already adhered to others previously; and this would mean, if I am not mistaken, that one cannot even transfer from one society to another; for example, from SIAE to SGAE, as I would like to do....

Regardless of the rest, the proposal by Paoli & Co. should be seriously supported; no State law, as far as I know, establishes that SIAE must be the sole national mandatory authority regarding copyright. In my opinion, it is time to demand real demonopolization of this sector, to strip SIAE of a series of privileges accumulated over time (e.g., the presumption of use of broadcasting equipment in public premises) and, given the unprecedented strength of the web, simply build alternative societies of authors within the territory that are capable of offering structures and services more in line with the times and the world we live in.

Is there no book that speaks about all these aspects or that somehow regulates all these cases?

Ratatouille89 wrote:

Is there no book that speaks about all these aspects or that somehow regulates all these cases?

The only one I know is by a conservatory professor, a certain Pascal, titled "Fare Musica" [Making Music], ed. Rugginenti. However, it is very "pro" SIAE. It is very useful and rich in information, though. You can order it at any bookstore; it costs a little more than 10 euros.

Ratatouille89 wrote:

Is there no book that speaks about all these aspects or that somehow regulates all these cases?

I have just reviewed a book here, not strictly about SIAE but very fascinating. Try it to believe it!

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/758-abolire-la-proprieta-intellettuale/

Tenore wrote:

Singers united against digital piracy

From Battiato to Gino Paoli in defense of young authors - Fem

http://video.corrier...59-e67ffe640cb1

Let's discuss it

i don't find it entirely honest to want to pass off "digital piracy" as the primary and necessary causal factor for the collapse of the "demand" for "cultural goods.".

To me, it seems like an epochal piece of bullsh..t. Ruggeri always has that somewhat rhetorical tone of an "intellectual," I thought the others were better ...

Evidently they are fine with credit cards, they have no idea what it means to break the bank daily buying CDs, DVDs, books, sheet music, and so on.

Oh well

Ludovica wrote:

i do not find it entirely honest to want to pass off "digital piracy" as the primary and necessary causal factor for the collapse of the "demand" for "cultural goods."

Franco Fabbri in 2009

http://www.francofabbri.net/pagine/Diario.htm#Dischi

Today, large segments of the population prefer to have a cell phone, a PC, a video camera, a Playstation, rather than a collection of "records."

Many young people (not even so young) prefer staying out late at night engaging in an online role-playing game rather than listening to the latest album. And therefore those times will never return, dear record industry professionals, not even if a compliant government placed a policeman next to every possible downloader's computer.

http://www.francofabbri.net/pagine/Diario.htm#Dischi

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2012/04/10/quelle-facce-lugubri-contro-pirateria-digitale/

http://www.report.rai.it/dl/Report/puntata/ContentItem-52fcc1de-37ce-4f9c-961c-a67408c02ee0.html?refresh_ce

Gino Paoli and a fine company have always pocketed the royalties of young disco music artists... but go to////////

Oracolo wrote:

Can one unsubscribe from SIAE and what consequences would there be?

Yes, you just have to not pay the fee for 3 consecutive years or notify them via registered mail.

The consequences are simple: the repertoire numbers associated with your pieces are reused, so if one of your works were later played indicating the old SIAE repertoire number, someone else would get the money.

Once you have withdrawn from the SIAE contract, the suggestion is to re-register all works with the new entity and ensure that whoever performs your tracks cites the new repertoire number

I confirm, I asked those in charge of the deposits what cancellation entails; they told me that obviously they collect

the 100% of the proceeds (if there are or will be, unless one has signed a contract with a publishing house etc..), but the

important thing for

me is that the deposit does not expire, that remains, so if an alternative were found it wouldn't be bad.