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Simon Steen-Andersen, Beside Besides (2004/2006)

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I wanted to spend a few words on a piece that I liked very much: Beside Besides by Simon Steen-Andersen.

Steen-Andersen is a fairly young Danish composer (1976), but with an already important curriculum: one only needs to see his schedule http://www.simonstee...eng_aktuelt.htm

In Beside Besides, I find some of the strengths of his compositional thinking: the loop, irony, gesturality, and the abstract becoming concrete.

The title plays on a neologism, the non-existent plural of beside (the "besides").

A cellist and a percussionist are sitting next to each other. The percussionist is at the drum: in his left hand he holds three sticks resting against the membrane, at the joint with the rim; in his right, a knurled stick, which he scrapes against the rim of the drum or with the three sticks resting on the membrane.

The two musicians play performing analogous movements in perfect synchrony. The effect, live, is astounding, a kind of trompe-l'oeil that is simultaneously a trompe-l'oreille: on one hand, it is disorienting for the eye to see two musicians performing the same synchronized gesture on two different instruments; on the other hand, the sonic result is a kind of hybrid instrument (a cello-drum) resulting from the sum of two classical instruments, with a magical suspension in which one is sometimes led to attribute a flautando to the drum that actually comes from the cello, and vice versa.

Enjoy the listening-watching experience.

http://www.simonstee...eng_aktuelt.htm

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Reply 2 by Xenakis

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Honestly I don't know it, I noticed the link in the other topic, I will listen calmly and let you know my impressions

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Reply 3 by Tiger

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Thanks for the report RedScharlach, your explanation is also useful for understanding why the cameras don't detach from the performers even for a moment … through the other topic I had listened to it without watching the footage, and indeed if the listening occurred only via a disc now I wonder how one can compensate for the lack of "visual" contact or to what extent. What do you think?

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Reply 4 by RedScharlach

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You're welcome ... I'll tell you: this seems to me like a typical piece that works splendidly live, is so-so on YouTube, and makes no sense at all on CD. In general, this happens with much music that has a strong gestural component. Not for nothing, Steen-Andersen is also a performer and a visual artist.

Not all of his pieces have to be "seen", though! It seems to me that On And Off And To And Fro works well as "audio only" too...

https://soundcloud.com/edition-s/on-and-off-and-to-and-fro

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Reply 5 by Xenakis

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I gave it a good listen and watch:

Aside from the presentation of the material occurring between 09''-32'' and 33''-39'', which are obviously contrasting in many aspects, at 46'' the development announced by the flute-like sound begins, where the sonic elements between 09''-32'' and 33''-39'' are mixed in an increasingly brief and close manner. An elaboration that lasts about one minute.

Note that the pauses between 1'33''-1'39'' and 2'17''-2'23'' last as long as the exposition of the second material.

The sonority starting from 2'06'' is nice, ending with a series of harmonious glissando gestures at 2'12''

However, I must say that we are practically talking about 3'30'' of a piece; despite the very short duration, at a certain point I suffer a little because it feels to me like they are dragging it out.

The piece falls into those cases where music alone is not enough (program music, music for images, etc.) and indeed observing the perfect gestural synchrony of the 2 performers here is fundamental.

It is not something absolutely negative but "constraining" to the extent that one wants to leave the concert hall... in my opinion, even a video on YouTube does it no justice.

I very much enjoyed Red's presentation and also having discovered this piece.

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Reply 6 by Xenakis

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RedScharlach wrote:

In Beside Besides I find some of the strengths of his compositional thought: the loop, irony

Where are Irony and "how" [as] a loop?

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Reply 7 by RedScharlach

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Loop as a mechanical repetition of a sequence that gradually unfolds (when the loop unlocks): this applies to Beside Besides, it also applies to On And Off And To And Fro, and it applies especially to In Spite Of, And Maybe Even Therefore.

Irony, in my opinion, lies mainly in the "situation": Steen-Andersen's music lives very well EVEN outside the consecrated venues of "classical music" and "contemporary music"; it has an enviable wit and lightness that serve as a counterpoint to the implacable precision of the idea, and it often plays on an effect of "detachment" (between what is seen and what is heard, between what is expected and what occurs) and on the resulting surprise.

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Reply 8 by Frank

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In addition to the other rich comments already offered by friends of the forum, I would like to point out how something that may appear non-traditional at first glance can instead have references to tradition. A composer's ability is also shown in decontextualizing or “making one's own” (incorporating into one's own aesthetics) procedures that are already established or well-known.

In the past, I dealt with understanding why Bach, in the fugue BWV855, had inserted measures that proceeded in unison (see 19 and 38); in effect, there are solutions to avoid this procedure, which is somewhat un-contrapuntal or otherwise not quite typical of a fugue.

In my view, there is a very plausible reason that can be traced back to a certain “fashion” which was then consolidated by the Mannheim school, which carried forward one of Vivaldi's “legacies” (proceeding in unison often involved both choir and orchestra; that type of “gesturality” was quite popular... try to imagine the visual impact of an orchestra moving while playing the same notes).

Indeed, in the works of Vivaldi himself, such as Magnificat and Lauda Jerusalem (double choir), these procedures are evident... Bach, regarding BWV855, certainly underwent the influence of Vivaldi, and we know well how much he “transcribed” from his music.

In the fugue, the movement in octaves arrives in the form of intensification, just as occurred with the orchestral gesture (clearly, Bach uses other things to achieve this goal, but the “gesture” is also used for this purpose).

Thus, instead of “melody,” Simon Steen-Andersen uses sound; he does not use the gesture only to emphasize a possible intensification, but it becomes a constant in the piece, indeed the core element… in my opinion, in fact, an expert, even if not accustomed to this type of repertoire, cannot help but find these elements. In the end, the elements highlighted by Xenakis are very evident and perfectly placeable within a formal structure of a “classical” matrix. Of course, the Subjects/Themes change, as do the Materials and the technique of developing the material itself… but the piece presents all the characteristics of “the art and science of organizing sounds in time and space.” A very general definition of music, criticized but also very concrete and perhaps debatable because, in a few words, it encompasses the world, including the piece in question.

Then, as always, the musician's abilities can more or less keep attention alive, and I agree with Xenakis especially when he says that it drags on a bit. Surely Simon Steen-Andersen's approach was a choice, but either something should have happened at a certain point, or perhaps he could have started playing differently with the material. Certainly, in my opinion, there is a component of taste; I prefer the first material to the second, so I am sorry that he worked on the first in favor of the second, thinning it out until it almost disappeared. Let's just say I would have done the opposite…

I would also like to point out the extreme precision of the performers, their sensitivity in achieving very granular dynamic nuances, making simple instrumental gestures appear often complex… such as the passage indicated by Xenakis around 2'10''. Furthermore, the performers achieve perfect synchrony in the instrumental gesture even while being side-by-side... precisely “beside” each other (referring to the pun explained by Red). In short, without seeing each other directly.

On this aspect as well, however, I would have extended the synchrony to parts of the body not involved in the performance… the movement of the faces (rarely the expressions) is not synchronized. On one hand, this can be read as preserving one of the human aspects; I, on the other hand, would have appealed to robotics (or at least to “martiality”) to render what Red defines as “loop, irony, gesturality, abstract becoming concrete”… also “surreal.”

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Reply 9 by Tiger

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RedScharlach wrote:

Loop as a mechanical repetition of a sequence that gradually unfolds (when the loop unlocks)

Could you clarify the structure of loops for me? I didn't quite understand where it unlocks and in relation to what

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Reply 11 by RedScharlach

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Thanks! The score for In Spite Of, And Maybe Even Therefore can also be found on Steen-Andersen's website... I tried to post the video of the Nadar Ensemble, but I don't think it's possible to view it directly on the forum (clicking the "watch on vimeo" link should be enough). This is another piece that needs to be "seen," because there is a precise gestural dramaturgy, with a "choreography" that contrasts the two ensembles: the first with the usual loop mechanism, the second engaged in assembling and disassembling (simultaneously!) a Beethoven Bagatelle.

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