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Simone Renzi Plays Chopin - Ballade n.1 in G min

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I am adding this new video, praying that the moderator of the Chopin section will include it in the forum's list of interpretations.

I have been working on it for a very short time, just 10 days with great effort (I have dedicated practically 3 hours every evening after returning from work). Digital keyboard aside, which is very limiting for a certain genre of repertoire, I still have to clean up a few little things, but the result already seems quite good to me; on an acoustic piano, it's a whole different story.

The recording is a direct line out from the keyboard -> line in to the audio interface; only a bit of reverb was added in post-production and it has been equalized.

Thanks to anyone who wishes to comment.

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Reply 2 by Piccinesco

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I like the way you play (you know I'm not just saying this to flatter you), you are measured, rigorous, but at the same time you convey the right character of the piece (it brings to mind the discussions we've had here on the forum sometimes regarding Lang Lang as a soloist).

It seems to me (even though I listened to it over the phone) that the melodic line is always kept clear.

Well-defined "opposition" between the right hand and the left hand, without any overlapping.

Weighted and soulful agogics.

An interpretation that works.

Bravo

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Reply 3 by nancy

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Really compliments! I like it. Clean, clear, precise.....measured and impeccable in the interpretative choices. How did you do it in 10 days??

However, it deserves to be performed on an acoustic one....come on...the digital just doesn't cut it! please, gift us the emotion of hearing and seeing it on a beautiful pf that vibrates!!

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Reply 4 by Thesimon

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Thanks Nancy for the compliments. You are perfectly right, making a video on digital is like a punch in the eye, but playing it on the acoustic implies several problems for me to solve... The first, kicking my mother and grandmother out of my house, who have been living with us for two or three years already. For my mother, there wouldn't be big problems. She is able to stay silent without the TV and go to another room to read a book or go for a little stroll, but for my grandmother, I see it being difficult. It was already a war when I had to make some piano videos for my thesis on algorithms for piano tuning in view of a university exam; she is 90 years old, she is a woman of the last century and one must also understand her needs, she is no longer an athletic young lady. The second problem is that I would have to set up all the equipment to capture a good sound, which requires a lot of time and effort. I have recorded stuff on acoustic in other times, meaning when there weren't all these impediments. I did the digital recording for the sake of sound practicality but above all because of the little free time available; in fact, this recording was made in practically 20 minutes: the time to play, add a bit of reverb to what I had recorded and synchronize the audio with the video. Furthermore, I live in an apartment building and have specific times when I can play. During the day I work, I leave home at 9 in the morning and return in the evening at 7 PM, and I have barely one hour that I can spend on the acoustic piano (until 8 PM), all this from Monday to Saturday, and on Sunday I am exhausted; I really wouldn't have the desire to waste 3 hours just to set everything up and find the sound for a 10-minute recording. Most of my practice is done after dinner in my small soundproofed recording room, on digital, where no one can hear me, but it is too small to host a grand piano. I assure you also that getting a good sound out of an acoustic takes a lot of time. Playing on acoustic would also be much better for me, especially at an interpretive and technical level. Many nuances cannot be achieved with digital and in points of technical virtuosity, the digital is truly very tiring to make sound. The key does not have that responsiveness you find on acoustic because, at least on my digital, there isn't the complex system of levers typical of acoustic piano mechanics; the mechanics of my acoustic consists practically of a single lever attached to the key representing the weight, therefore trills must be articulated with exaggeration otherwise it comes out as a tangle of notes, even repeated notes must be extremized; in short, it is not a natural way of playing and that's why I struggle a lot. There is one thing to say though... If I can perfectly clean up a piece on digital, when I then go to the acoustic my hands play by themselves, I only have to think about the sound I want to produce and the intentions, nothing else. Certainly studying on digital is a good thing because you hear every single inaccuracy that on a grand piano can be easily camouflaged by the large number of harmonic phenomena that occur when playing demanding repertoire; there are those who say that when you return from digital to acoustic you no longer feel at home, but I assure you that the feeling with the acoustic is regained within about twenty minutes. Like all things, there are pros and cons... Generally, I work in the early stages of study on digital to clean up all the most demanding passages well, then when I go to acoustic, I search for my sound. Regarding the 10 days, yes, it's true that I have been practicing it for 10 days, but I had been working on the score of this ballad for a long time without ever "putting it into practice" physically on the piano. It was just a matter of learning the notes and I don't take long for those...

Thanks for your comment.

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Reply 5 by Thesimon

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I hadn't seen Maurizio's comment. Thank you too. With you, we have had these discussions many times, I am referring to interpretations. I like to be as clean and measured as possible; I spend healthy hours even on just 10 measures if necessary. I think that no author has ever put notes in a score at random; each one has its importance and must emerge according to its degree of importance. Aside from emotional errors that can be made, one must still try to aim for perfection when preparing a piece, both technically and interpretatively. Obviously, technical perfection is something that has an objective value, whereas interpretative perfection is subjective, so it may or may not be liked; however, the author normally provides all the indications in the score that the performer needs to understand how those notes should be brought out. It is then up to the performer to succeed in reading them not just superficially, but by delving deeper to grasp the meaning "between the lines." Despite every pianist making their own choices, subjectivity has its limits. There are interpretations that are objectively wrong. Regarding the Lang Lang parenthesis, you surely aren't saying that I played it better in 10 days on a digital piano than he did in concert on a Steinway!!! Obviously, I'm joking!

Lang Lang is a great keyboard virtuoso and a great pianist; I must admit that his technical level is monstrous, even if I do not share his way of playing as a soloist (referring to exaggerated interpretations for the sole sake of putting on a show). His manner grates on me because it is not at the service of the music but quite the opposite: he uses the music to show himself off, and this is exactly what a successful pianist should avoid. It grates on me that a talented pianist like him must ruin everything due to a lack of humility, not towards the spectators, but towards the music and the authors. It is a waste, I can only say that...

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Reply 6 by nancy

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No! For goodness' sake! Don't kick the grandma out!...the fact is you play so well that it makes one wish to see a grand piano under your fingers. And in fact, you are doubly talented for having pulled off such an execution from a digital piano.. even just playing it as a reading makes me nervous!!

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Reply 7 by nancy

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TheSimon wrote:

I hadn't seen Maurizio's comment. Thank you too. With you, we have had these discussions many times, I am referring to interpretations. I like to be as clean and measured as possible; I spend healthy hours even on just 10 measures if necessary. I think that no author has ever put notes in a score at random; each one has its importance and must emerge according to its degree of importance. Aside from emotional errors that can be made, one must still try to aim for perfection when preparing a piece, both technically and interpretatively. Obviously, technical perfection is something that has an objective value, whereas interpretative perfection is subjective, so it may or may not be liked; however, the author normally provides all the indications in the score that the performer needs to understand how those notes should be brought out. It is then up to the performer to succeed in reading them not just superficially, but by delving deeper to grasp the meaning "between the lines." Despite every pianist making their own choices, subjectivity has its limits. There are interpretations that are objectively wrong. Regarding the Lang Lang parenthesis, you surely aren't saying that I played it better in 10 days on a digital piano than he did in concert on a Steinway!!! Obviously, I'm joking!

Lang Lang is a great keyboard virtuoso and a great pianist; I must admit that his technical level is monstrous, even if I do not share his way of playing as a soloist (referring to the exaggerated interpretations for the sake of showmanship alone). His manner grates on me because it is not at the service of the music but quite the opposite: he uses the music to show himself off, and this is exactly what a successful pianist should avoid. It grates on me that a talented pianist like him must ruin everything due to a lack of humility, not towards the spectators, but towards the music and the authors. It is a waste, I can only say that...

I fully agree regarding Lang Lang as well. ....

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Reply 8 by Piccinesco

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Regarding Lang Lang, I meant what you have always maintained; even if to me, who am not a pianist, it immediately appeared exaggerated in his manner of presenting the solo repertoire, to you and others it must have provoked a much more pronounced effect.

I have always maintained that it is harder to be credible playing slowly, perhaps through passages considered simple, compared to others who are very fast, precisely by masking through sustain pedal tricks and resonances points that were not quite successful during execution.

Instead, people continue to remain mesmerized when they see someone perform extremely fast passages (often out of place, ridiculous, and perhaps even poorly executed).

Cziffra comes to mind (mind you, I mean differently, do you remember when I spoke to you about him via email?)

To me, he seemed truly superlative in terms of cleanliness and precision; these things are noticeable, and one can sense if someone is out of place or manages to render an execution well while respecting the sense and intent of the composer.

Speed expressed forcefully or at all costs is like the length of pieces:

trying to establish an ever-increasing length for a piece can come at the expense of quality, because one tries to compensate for the lack of the latter through length, thereby missing the substance.

Over the years (despite the lingering regret and awareness, currently, of not having that mental condition to study piano and obviously composition), I have radically changed my approach: I have gone from writing dozens of tracks for a piece to a maximum of 8/10, in some cases even less, precisely to conceive a result that is, I hope, satisfactory by also reducing the duration—a sort of synthesis, which has nothing to do with my way of speaking (and writing), which is evidently (often) loquacious.

But just to stay on the subject of precision, it is worth remembering (for those who may not have had the chance to see certain broadcasts) that not infrequently we have witnessed ridiculous scenes, such as, for example, a Chinese child I believe, being shuttled here and there by parents convinced they have talent in the house—a conviction also held by Clerici (I remember one moment in particular) who could not help but express her amazement at an execution of a Mozart piece performed very poorly; it is true that it was a child (5/6 years old, I think), but we know well that there are many children who play truly well, whereas these [others] contact those who receive the most views on YouTube or manage to get more publicity.

Something comes to mind (this mind too; I remember what I shouldn't and forget on the fly what I need, I'm in a bad way) regarding an episode (an excerpt seen on YouTube) of these plague programs called 'talents' (one can't take it anymore, there are more 'talents' in the world than locusts); it was filmed abroad and there was an amateur pianist, a hobbyist, let's say; well, he simply played some scales (very doable, because anyone who makes music can understand if they are particularly difficult passages or if they are executable without excessive difficulty—cleanliness being another matter entirely) while performing one of his pieces:

since he worked as a porter (it seems to me, Alzheimer's is near), it created the typical effect of "I feel sorry for you because you do a job you don't like, but I respect you because you play like heaven intended" (said in a semi-Roman way), so the "judges" (who often, if not always, have musical sensitivity equal to my knowledge of molecular biology) were left stunned and could not help but vote "yes."

What I want to say is: he must have been between 30 and 40 years old; he should know that in the world there are people 400 times better and more credible (I am not speaking specifically of pianists with a classical culture, but of those who play the instrument being truly personal, not necessarily having a classical training path behind them or having followed one).

I wouldn't have even tried, because I am not capable of giving my opinion in that specific "context," which is instrumental music playing as a soloist.

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Reply 9 by foster12

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Hi Simone,

i liked it very much. I used to study it too about ten years ago.

Your interpretation reminds me of the exceptional one by Peter Schmalfuss. He is not very well known, but perhaps together with Nikita Magaloff, he is one of those who transfers emotions to me when playing Chopin.

Regarding the keyboard issue, I sincerely think it's pure gold to live in an era where for 300 euros you can afford such an "instrument."

Those who would want to hear a Steinway or a Bösendorfer for every performance make me laugh. But do these people have any idea of the country (and world) we live in?

Do they have any idea what kind of pianos Chopin used to play?

No, because sometimes I have my doubts.

Anyway, out of curiosity, could I know which digital piano you used?

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Reply 10 by Thesimon

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Hi Enrico, thank you so much, I'm glad you liked it.

The piano is a Yamaha P95. Some demanding repertoire pieces are even more demanding on this keyboard; there isn't the response you would expect from a traditional piano and you cannot use many technical tricks to flow well through fast passages and repeated notes. In any case, I agree with you, they are a godsend!

See you soon

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> just 10 days with great effort (I dedicated practically 3 hours every evening after returning from work)

I am happy that every now and then it returns to the home base

Despite the little time and the use of an instrument that amplifies certain difficulties, I must say you have done a good job!

Am I mistaken, or is the instrument very lacking in the super-high register?

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Reply 13 by giovannip

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Mamma mia, terrifyingly good! superb interpretation. pieces of this magnitude I can only listen to; I wouldn't even open the sheet music

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Reply 14 by stefano

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10 days ?? Are you an alien ?

My most sincere compliments. A very measured and well-interpreted performance. With the sheet music in hand, one can immediately see the care and attention you paid to Chopin's indications. I also like the choice of tempos as well as the interpretative choices. I would say a romantic way of playing but very noble, certainly a non-romanticized way of interpreting, something that does not approach Chopin despite many believing that Chopin should be romanticized.

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Reply 15 by stefano

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Anyway, sorry if I'm adding to this, but absolutely continue playing despite work taking up so much of your time and despite Italy being reduced in this way regarding classical music. You have excellent talent, a beautiful hand, great technique and beautiful expressive intentions; you play with great maturity. Continue to cultivate your passion and dedicate yourself to music, it would truly be wasted nature if you didn't.

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Reply 16 by Thesimon

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Thank you very much Stefano for your comment, I truly appreciated it immensely. As I also told Nancy, I am not an alien; in 10 days I only had to learn the notes because I have been working on the score of this ballad for a long time. There are certainly some inaccuracies and some hesitations; despite having the score in front of me, I was practically playing from memory (in one part of the video, in fact, you can see me turning two pages at once because I completely skipped one having played it from memory). Unfortunately, my memory deceives me; I have never been used to playing from memory in public, a wall that I should have broken down since I was a child, and I always fear the block. When I play from memory, I am not engaged in thinking about the music but in remembering the notes, and this cannot be; when playing, one must think about the music. The point is that having the score in front of me gives me a security that puts me at ease and allows me to concentrate on the music. Compared to last year, I have made giant strides with memory. I never remembered anything of what I played, and if I had had to play in public without a score, I would never have known how to finish a movement of a sonata. Now I have quite a lot of repertoire from memory, almost all my current repertoire, including the four-hand pieces, but the block remains, that sort of terror of making a mistake due to a memory lapse. I practice in this way: score on the desk behind my shoulders, I start playing, and when I get stuck because I don't remember, I turn around to read the score and stare at the notes I didn't remember. Obviously, I study both hands well from memory separately. I have understood that in the end the secret is to learn the left hand well by heart; this gives me confidence, but in concert I always prefer to play with the sheet music. In the end, people come to my concert to listen and not to see whether I have the score in front of me or not. It's not a justification, it's a choice, but confirming my thesis is a famous interview by the great Richter, who spoke of memorized performance as an useless competition that limits a pianist's repertoire; an interview which I attach:

"I decided, alas, too late to keep the score in front of me during concerts, despite having sensed for a long time that it had to be done.

It is paradoxical, but in an era when the repertoire was more limited and less complex, people habitually played with the score, and this wise custom was interrupted by Liszt.

Today the head—rather than being well-supplied with music—is overloaded by a superfluous abundance, and risks becoming dangerously fatigued. What childishness and what vanity, a source of useless toil, this kind of feat of memory competition, when above all one should make good music that touches the listener! A mediocre routine in which a mendacious glory basks, which my dear professor Heinrich Neuhaus so much criticized.

The incessant call to the order of the score would give less license to this "freedom," to this "individuality" of the performer with which the audience is tyrannized and music is infested, and which is nothing more than a lack of humility and respect for the music itself.

Of course, it is not so easy to be absolutely free when one has the score in front, and it takes much time, work, and habit; for this reason, it is better to start as early as possible.

Here is a piece of advice I would gladly give to young pianists: finally adopt this healthy and natural method that will allow them not to bore us throughout their lives with the same programs, and to create for themselves a richer and more varied musical life."

Forget about memory problems in adulthood, as someone mentioned... Richter's was a choice! A choice that I share.

Memory or no memory, I believe it all comes down to the quality of the music. If the music coming from a pianist's hands is good music, at least for me, it doesn't matter whether the music stand is mounted on the piano or not.

Personally, I believe I will never stop playing as long as life and health allow me to. I would lose an important part of myself and certainly would no longer be able to face life in the same way I face it now.

Music has been my greatest passion since I was a child, and imagine that I even gave up girls who, instead of exhorting me to study and perfect myself, wanted to limit me because I spent too much time on it. Girls who don't understand something like that are not for me; they are too stupid. I prefer those who spur me to achieve results in what I consider my main passion and who themselves become passionate about something as noble as classical music.

Regarding the matter of a romanticized Chopin, I find myself in perfect agreement, and in fact, it has been my prerogative not to romanticize. The problem is that when one tries to be measured, one risks being the"

the opposite, meaning playing Chopin as you would play Liszt. With Chopin, one should not demonstrate their technical skills; one should only enjoy his music without making it too saccharine. Chopin was very attentive to this issue with his students.

My performance certainly has its limits, some certainly due to the keyboard I used, others still depending on the attention I devote to hitting the right notes. As I continue to play it, when I no longer need to think about the notes, I am sure that I will gain much awareness of this ballad, also because I feel it is very much my own.

Thank you again for your comment.

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Reply 17 by nancy

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You said something sacred... in my opinion, everyone should be able to play how they feel best without being judged for it. The audience should be educated to focus on the music and not on those who are prejudicially considered elements of virtuosity... often including memory among these...

Every performer should feel free to play how they feel most secure.. there is no right or wrong way.

I, for example, prefer playing from memory. I feel what I play more.... and with the score, I am more busy following the notes.... I find it more difficult! It is entirely subjective. For those like me who have a tendency to read and immediately commit to memory, more attention is needed during study not to lose the author's precious indications on the indicated interpretation.

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In my opinion, if on one hand playing from memory can be merely a "choreographic" aspect, it happens that some passages (not an entire piece in its entirety) can require all our resources, which are obviously not free to look at the score. There is music that is not written to be memorized.... look at Bach's; for which a "mammoth" and probably useless amount of work is required from the performer. Therefore, I would say that the score is always useful; think also of those poor organists

I will add a reflection. Not being Liszt or whoever else, my music is never performed from memory. I don't know if it is "deontological" or not, but even if it might seem that some composers "deserve" memory and others less, in fact, on an unpublished work, "musical" memory becomes fallacious... all the more so if one is not playing alone (I mean chamber music, etc.). If you are the first, or if you are able to imagine all the parts..... imagine the overall sound result... memorize it, or read

I must say that the infinite repetition of a considerable piece of repertoire facilitates the transition to: "I know it by heart"... but we are in an era where things happen that are somewhat "unnatural"... in all eras, the music of the living has always been played, knowing how to choose between the fluff that goes around and worthy things (a capacity now atrophied; better to play it safe, I play Beethoven and I don't make a mistake... and we continue to fatten up the SIAE). Because there is so much beautiful music around that is rarely performed. If everything were truly natural, the presence of unpublished works would effectively cancel the "problem" of memorization and would probably only pose the issue of the abstraction of deep knowledge of the piece.

Another aspect is given by the fact that today's writing is so meticulous that the "paper" (or iPad, whatever) proves to be truly necessary for the performer... and not only that, the West has reached a point where we know things thanks to great designs that cannot be improvised (I am also referring to the composer).

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Reply 19 by stefano

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Yes my son, but in 10 days I might manage to read 2 or 3 pages...

I also agree with what you said about the use of sheet music. If a pianist manages to move me, I don't care whether they are playing with sheet music or without. In an orchestra one plays with sheet music, almost all instrumentalists play with the score; this thing about playing the piano from memory seems to me just a matter of tradition starting from Liszt onwards.

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@ Stefanus

I assure you it is all a matter of practice. Over time, you become faster at assimilating. If you have played some pieces from Chopin's repertoire, you will realize that the technical gestures are more or less always the same (and anyway, you can find them all within his studies; if you have at least read them, you are already one step ahead). Once you possess the right technique, the step is short, trust me, nothing transcendental; the difficult part is finding the right sound. As for this ballad, technically speaking, apart from the finale, it does not present particular difficulties. In my opinion, the fourth ballad is by far more difficult, as it presents numerous points of high technical difficulty.

@ Nancy & Frank

I agree with what you are saying, and what Frank says is clear. Playing with the score does not mean not memorizing everything. Obviously, there are passages that are so technically difficult that it is unthinkable to stand there looking at the score, but I can tell you that most of my problems, paradoxically, were always in the easier pieces. If we take a Mozart sonata, I easily learn the first and third movements by heart. I find it difficult to memorize the Andante. It may seem absurd, but that is exactly how it is. At least in my case, playing with the score is just a security measure I allow myself, a psychological gesture that puts me at ease and lets me think about the music without having to fear external distractions. It is likely that in a piece I only look at the score in a few phrases, and of those, only in the easier ones. In this ballad, I had difficulty memorizing three points (the simplest ones).

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