That Cursed Camera

Maybe he's short on ideas ...

I read somewhere that one of Allevi's first most famous little songs he took from a conservatory ... while listening to a student improvising the little tune.

It's a struggle, the first one to get to SIAE wins

...even with his own teacher though, it seems hallucinatory to me...

...if Exit is written in pencil ... then a handwriting expert's assessment is enough

It seems to me that you are taking lessons; to what extent does the teacher contribute to reaching the "most beautiful" [level/stage]?

Never heard of it or seen it done, it would bother me a lot.

if he did it to me, it would happen the first time ... the second ... a good smashing of the iphone.

Really unpleasant.

I await the plagiarism ... Allevi teaches ... I had also heard the story about the conservatory, I don't know how true it is, but I heard it.

I believe a musician doesn't need to take photos of a score to steal ideas. It is certainly quite rude, as well as misleading, to do such a thing without publicly providing an explanation. I would make a little joke with a smile, something like: "Maestro, are you going to register it for me at SIAE...?" Otherwise, do this: in the middle of the sheet, between one staff and the next, put a big signature.

It has been a long time since I have frequented the conservatory environment, and perhaps I was just unlucky, but at least in my case it was impossible to think of making a criticism or complaining to a professor without risking compromising one's own career, at least academically.

Imagine being a student of a (more or less self-proclaimed) great artist and accusing them of attempted plagiarism...

Anyway, if you like what you do, I would deposit it quietly with Siae before going to class...

Agreed with Pestatasti. You can also sign between the lines as Croma suggests, but if you find someone who knows how to use a tiny bit of Photoshop, after one minute you'll know where the signatures ended up?

Deposit in SIAE, it seems like the best thing to do.

You have embodied all my thoughts.

I cannot rebel and I cannot go to the SIAE 30 times for every piece for fear that someone might "copy" my themes at every lesson... I cannot go because the piece is not finished, or rather, I could even do it, but every time I would have to submit a subsequent modification to the SIAE... what a pain... and for what?

it is not necessary to deposit a piece with SIAE to protect one's rights to the work; you only need to be able to prove that you wrote it before anyone else, and then one finds oneself facing a counterfeiting offense punishable under the Italian civil code, regardless of whether the piece is or is not deposited with SIAE

He certainly would have done it; there is a way to "beat him" anyway: ask him to send the photos he took also to your email. Photos are usually dated (even the PC and, in any case, the phone are not very reliable from this point of view for me because one can modify the time and date however they want), but there is one detail: if he sends you a message, it is dated, so all you have to do is have him send it at the same time he takes the photo, or shortly after—the problem is that he has already done it. However, if someone does not deposit with SIAE and instead deposits via Creative Commons, I think they have an "electronic" register, so even the time could be valid, not just the day.

Anyway, I would have made that iPhone take a flight of a few meters, but how did he allow himself to do that?

Exactly what I'm saying, Riccardo, you have to prove it later, because SIAE does nothing more than "make available" (what an effort, eh) what you have and what they have deposited; then, if you have (and here doubts arise: how do they know exactly when you wrote a piece if perhaps you create it with software and the PC has a low battery, marking the year 2000 but in reality you wrote it later, or perhaps before, and above all, it cannot be a very valid proof because as stated, one can modify the time and date; even if someone had them on DVD, how do they prove it? We are back at the same point), for me one way would be this—it's a provocation obviously, but only to a certain extent: a person, no matter how far behind they may be with their studies, has their own way of making music, whether it is banal or complex. Two people compared using the same music creation software, for example, or two themes to develop, would in my opinion exhaustively express their way of interpreting certain things, so you would see immediately if a piece could have come from one person's head or another's; that being said, if someone knows how to put themselves in another's shoes by "imitating" them, they could still counterfeit, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I have heard absurd things at SIAE, people who showed up with dance music CDs, and all it took was saying "no, it is not transcribable," and they would let them deposit it without a score; we are talking about madness, always for convenience obviously. Then, if their PC crashes, the software fails, or the CD gets demagnetized, what will they say then? It's better to write and at least know how to write sufficiently well. (This is another topic, obviously).

TheSimon wrote:

I agree with Pestatasti. You can also sign between the lines as Croma suggests, but if you find someone who knows how to use a tiny bit of Photoshop, after one minute do you know where the signatures ended up?

Deposit it with SIAE, that seems like the best thing.

The signature was more to show the maestro that someone has figured out the trick; then it is clear that, if someone wants to, they will steal your music inside out, even if you deposit it with SIAE, because almost no one steals a score "in toto": it's enough to change a couple of things in the right place, and the job is done. Staying with our friend's case, the truth is that he has no real way to defend himself.

riccardoM wrote:

it is not necessary to deposit a piece with SIAE to protect one's rights to the work; you only need to be able to prove that you wrote it before anyone else, and then one is faced with a counterfeiting offense punishable under the Italian civil code, regardless of whether the piece is or is not deposited with SIAE

This is very true. In fact, at every "click" of the prof., exit could take his paper, fold it, staple it, put a stamp on the back and mail it to himself (the postmark must be on the paper, not on the envelope, otherwise it proves nothing). But even this is useless if exit has no way of verifying his teacher's musical activities: perhaps his piece ends up in a documentary about the yellow ducks of New Guinea, or at a New Year's Eve party, or becomes a jingle on Radio Roccacannuccia for the local butcher... In the end, I mean, one must keep one's feet on the ground.

Unfortunately, neither SIAE nor the author can contest anything if the use of the music is unknown to those concerned. This remains true even when it was known, as SIAE has proven itself completely incapable of protecting its writings: see the sensational case of Phil Collins at the expense of poor Ivan Graziani...

Actually, to be precise:

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I would never allow myself to photograph the work of one of my students... I think that for the student it is a privilege if their teacher asks them for a copy of their music, because they find it valid, beautiful, and blah...blah.

Therefore, in a normal and disinterested situation, at the end of the work, I would kindly ask for an autographed copy with a dedication.

As for the rest... I can only think the worst and I hope it doesn't happen in the conservatory... more than anything because I hope that at least there, people aren't looking for others' ideas... when instead they should possess their own. At least in my view of the matter.

Excuse me, one thing (it just occurred to me): what about going to the principal, no...? In my day, if a problem arose with a teacher, that's how it was done. Or, if things got serious, it was discussed in the class council (teachers, students, and parents); don't these things exist at the conservatory?

(P.S. I don't know, I went to high school).

One thing you can do in the meantime is ask other students if he does the same thing with them.

Then, on some occasion, bring some notes (which you hope he photographs) to show him (perhaps ones you don't care about, written just for testing, and I know it's difficult),

if he makes a mistake and realizes it's not worth it and doesn't photograph them, tell him immediately after that you left them there but you aren't convinced by them, and see if he is quick to delete the photo immediately.

...so pull out your phone and photograph it while it's photographing...then we'll see if it asks you why

just to summarize...

you are in a lesson (of what?) and YOUR teacher photographs an assignment that they gave you in THEIR lesson?

Question... But will HE be the one evaluating this assignment/work?

Question 2: does he only photograph your works?

The more this discussion goes on, the more I think the reaction is exaggerated...

Now, understand me well, I wish for you to be the new WAM...