J. S. Bach

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Opening post by antares86

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Leaving aside the children whose compositions are quite well known, of which other members of the Bach family is the life and/or the compositions known? I remember practically only Johann Bernhard Bach (the cousin) and his father, but I don't know any compositions by him...

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Reply 2 by Silbermann

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It wouldn't hurt to recover this text; in its most historical part, it is very detailed, even regarding the end of half of Bach's works that we never received (let's thank one of the wimpy sons of the Leipzig cantor)

Frau Musika. The life and works of J. S. Bach

http://www.edt.it/libri/frau-musika-la-vita-e-le-opere-di-j-s-bach/

http://www.edt.it/libri/frau-musika-la-vita-e-le-opere-di-j-s-bach/

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Reply 3 by gianni22

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I am not an expert but I practice

I went to IMSLP and I read:

Bach, August Wilhelm
Bach, Carl Philipp Emanuel
Bach, Christoph
Bach, Emanuel
Bach, Heinrich
Bach, Johann Bernhard
Bach, Johann Christian
Bach, Johann Christoph
Bach, Johann Christoph Friedrich
Bach, Johann Ernst
Bach, Johann Lorenz
Bach, Johann Ludwig
Bach, Johann Michael
Bach, Johann Nicolaus
Bach, Johann Sebastian
Bach, Leonhard Emil
Bach, Wilhelm Friedemann
Bach, Wilhelm Friedrich Ernst

All that's left is to understand when they lived; anyway, via wiki it should be a quick thing

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Reply 4 by antares86

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I have the first volume of Basso, I need to get the second one with the Leipzig period... It is true that some information about the rest of the family is reported, but I was wondering if there was anything else... Later I will take Gianni's list and analyze it with the book and report the results haha

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Reply 5 by gianni22

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http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Sebastian_Bach

On October 17, 1707, Bach married his second cousin, Maria Barbara Bach. From this marriage were born:
* Catherina Dorothea Bach (1708-1774).
* Wilhelm Friedemann Bach (1710-1784).
* Johann Christoph Bach (born and died in 1713).
* Maria Sophia Bach (born and died in 1713).
* Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach (1714-1788).
* Johann Gottfried Bernhard Bach (1715-1739).
* Leopold Augustus Bach (1718-1719).[50]

Having become a widower on July 7, 1720, Bach remarried on December 11, 1721, to Anna Magdalena Wilcke. From this marriage were born:

* Christiana Sophia Henrietta Bach (1723-1726).
* Gottfried Heinrich Bach (1724-1763).
* Christian Gottlieb Bach (1725-1728).
* Elisabeth Juliana Friederica Bach (1726-1781).
* Ernestus Andreas Bach (born and died in 1727).
* Regina Johanna Bach (1728-1733).
* Christiana Benedicta Bach (1729-1730).
* Christiana Dorothea Bach (1731-1732).
* Johann Christoph Friedrich Bach (1732-1795).
* Johann August Abraham Bach (born and died in 1733).
* Johann Christian Bach (1735-1782).
* Johanna Carolina Bach (1737-1781).
* Regina Susanna Bach (1742-1809).[50]

2 wives 20 children

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Sebastian_Bach

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Reply 7 by gianni22

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Of course Antares, you can work by difference on the 2 lists... if one is already a child ... it cannot be a relative (in a broad sense)

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Reply 8 by danielescarpetti

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Antares, you can amuse yourself however you see fit - of course - but the reality is that apart from a couple of children of the one and only great Bach... everything else is nonsense.

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Reply 9 by antares86

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gianni there are various homonyms among the Bachs and it's a huge mess even for that......

daniele everyone has their own opinions maybe the other contemporary and previous Bachs were not up to the level of Johann Sebastian (in fact, almost certainly) but labeling them as failures... (which I don't even know what that means anyway) small off-topic: listening to Haydn's quartets is going well

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Reply 10 by danielescarpetti

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Faloppa is a dialectal form, which means something of little or no substance.

I leave everyone to their own opinions - once again, if anything else were expected - but I think it is a matter of fact: apart from three - not two - sons of Bach, the other Bachs do not even deserve to be remembered.

As for the three Bach sons - I am referring to Carl Philip Emanuel, Johann Christian and Wilhelm Friedemann - they were typical representatives of the galant style and, from my point of view, I would have already said it all: we are talking about one of the most inferior musical periods in music history.

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Reply 11 by Piccinesco

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It is quite interesting to listen to the differences between Johann's Magnificat and that of his son Carl. It is true that the son had certainly listened to (I imagine) his father's work, and perhaps felt the weight of his figure, both as a father and as a composer, but in his work I noticed a simplicity that contrasts too much with the grandeur and depth conveyed by the work of Johann the father.

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Reply 12 by danielescarpetti

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Piccinesco wrote:

in his work I noticed a simplicity that contrasts all too much with the imposing nature and depth conveyed by the work of Johann the father.

...and indeed this was the spirit of the galant style: the simplification of music. The elimination of counterpoint. When it is said that even while Johann Sebastian was still alive, his music was considered "old and outdated" by the composers of the era, this is what is meant. And his sons were among the greatest proponents of this "new music" and of casting their father into the shadows.

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Reply 13 by antares86

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Well, it is also true that until the early 1900s Bach was Carl Philipp, not Johann Sebastian..... even though the Bach renaissance had already begun, now that there is no comparison between the father and the sons, I don't think anyone doubts it...

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