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From my point of view, this argument is similar to those who want to ban the burkini on beaches and whose only goal is to want to impose on women how to dress.
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danielescarpetti wrote:From my point of view, this argument is similar to those who want to ban the burkini on beaches and whose sole aim is to want to impose on women how to dress.
I disagree. The burka is the emblem of a new Middle Ages.
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Frank wrote:... to each their own reflection.
My reflection is very simple and clear: this girl deserves all the deepest and most unquestionable respect for her choice, which comes from her own spiritual journey.
When a person does not harm their neighbor and does nothing disgraceful, they must be free to do what they believe is most right for them.
Freedom is not a one-way street. It is not something you can talk about only when everything is as we would like it to be.
Freedom is being able to always be yourself and not what others would want you to be.
Freedom is always knowing how to respect those who think differently from us and being ready to do everything to ensure that person can fully express what they believe and think in.
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"In the face" of the burka.
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Viola wrote:"In the face" of the burka.
I didn't understand.
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Gianni22 wrote:I didn't understand.
In an Islamic country, I would have been stoned to death.
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Luckily there are civilized countries like ours, where you can still dress however you want. Burqa or no burqa.
For me, the French choice is Middle Ages!!! All that's missing is them stoning people because they wear a burqa. Better to be naked wiggling on the beach, obviously.
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Gianni22 wrote:Luckily there are civilized countries like ours, where you can still dress however you want. Burqa or no burqa.
For me, the French choice is Middle Ages!!! All that's missing is them stoning people because they wear a burqa. Better to be naked and wiggling your butt on the beach, obviously.
"Better to be naked and wiggling your butt on the beach?"
How dare you?
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Gianni22 wrote:Luckily there are civilized countries like ours, where you can still dress however you want. Burqa or no burqa.
To me, the French choice is Middle Ages!!! All that's missing is them stoning them because they wear the burqa. Better to be naked and wiggling on the beach, obviously.
And before speaking in such disrespectful terms towards women, try wearing a black sack that makes you invisible to the world, not for a day, not for a month, but for an entire lifetime—and not out of provocation, not for fashion, and not even by choice, but through a violent and mortifying imposition.
I am appalled.
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Viola, I really think you haven't read correctly. The girl in the video posted by Frank, in Italy, can choose to wear whatever she wants... even a burkini; in France, no.
For me, banning it is equivalent to forcing one to wear it and in effect the girl herself, a Muslim by choice (blessed freedom), can go to the beach in Italy but in France she cannot. Where is the freedom? Muslim women will no longer be able to go to the beach unless they show off their jewelry!
Sorry, but I am stunned.
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Gianni22 wrote:Viola, I really think you haven't read correctly. The girl in the video posted by Frank, in Italy, can choose to wear whatever she wants... even a burkini; in France, no.
For me, banning it is equivalent to forcing one to wear it and indeed the girl herself, a Muslim by choice (blessed freedom), in Italy can go to the beach, whereas in France she cannot. Where is the freedom? Muslim women will no longer be able to go to the beach unless they put their joys on display!
Sorry, but I am stunned.
The problem is that in the future (very soon) whoever "chooses" to show their "joys" will be judged as a woman of easy virtue.
That video proves nothing at all.
It is a testimony regarding how many?
That Islamic women should be treated like princesses is the worst nonsense (because besides being stupid, it is also dangerous) I have ever heard.
France did the right thing and I sincerely hope that its example is followed here as well.
If one does not want to exhibit their joys, one can cover up like many European women do. With a pareo, with a swim cover-up, and in a thousand other ways.
The burka is not just a simple garment, but a symbol. And those who pretend not to understand the symbolic meaning of certain "customs" worry me.
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...well. Tattoos come to mind for me. Once they were a transgression and for prisoners. Now it's fashion
Symbols change meaning, fortunately.
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Marzapane wrote:...well. Tattoos come to mind. Once they were transgression and for prisoners. Now they are fashion.
Symbols change meaning, fortunately.
Of course. Symbols are destined to fall.
But it is the symbolic meaning that must provoke reflection.
A swastika tattooed on the skin has a different meaning from an 'eagle or a butterfly or a woman showing her joys. :-)
The burka is a symbol of submission to a religious and/or social precept, which I cannot and will not tolerate.
That which oppresses does not liberate.
I do not tolerate oppressions masked as fake freedom.
Respecting one's neighbor does not mean tolerance to the extreme.
The burkini is just one of the manifestations (and among the least dangerous) of contemporary Islam.
Ciao Marzapane. :-)
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Since the discussion is clogging up a topic with quite different content
http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/5878-il-musicista-la-cura-della-propria-immagine/
I am opening this topic to continue the discussion, since I have noticed a certain interest in the matter.
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Viola, it seems to me that the swastika also existed before Fascism. As you can see, everything can change.
>A swastika tattooed on the skin has a different meaning from an 'eagle'
...and who says so? Perhaps one is referring to the "esoteric" meaning
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> If one does not want to display their joys, one can cover up as many European women do. With a sarong, with a cover-up, and in a thousand other ways.
And with all the problems this planet has, do you think a judicial system should also contain how one must dress? Sarong yes and burkini no, why?
Does anyone see differences between a burkini and a wetsuit?
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...mmhm, I was also thinking about nudists.
How do they fit into the discussion? I'm curious
Sooner or later we will be forced not to dress to show that we aren't carrying weapons "in our pockets"
In such an extreme context, it will seem like Yuya Wang is wearing a Burka
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Marzapane wrote:> If one does not want to display one's joys, one can cover up as many European women do. With a sarong, with a cover-up, and in a thousand other ways.
And with all the problems this planet has, do you think a judicial system should also contain how one must dress? Sarong yes and Burka no, because
Does anyone see differences between a Burka and a wetsuit?
Are we reading each other, or do we prefer to continue misunderstanding each other?
The usual mantra "with all the problems this country has..." does not work.
If for you the burka is not a problem, for me, as a woman, it is.
How do we settle this?
The comparison with a wetsuit does not hold up.
Let's not make a ridiculous racket (caciara).
