the burkini

By name and by fact, here is the "cazzino". The ones pointed out by TheSimon are still decent

http://www.dagospia.com/rubrica-2/media_e_tv/grande-richiesta-cazzino-nuova-moda-che-nessuno-adotter-94465.htm

I agree, but in my opinion we should focus the discussion not on nudity itself but on the context. Nudity can become art (see most sculptures), representing naked bodies, just like paintings on canvas. But an "unusual" nude, that is, in a context where nudity is usually not shown, represents scandal or exhibitionism for our culture. Look, if I am at the beach with my wife and children and I see someone dressed like the one in Ludovica's post, I'll beat him up and send him home full of bruises.

It is therefore a matter of respect for the people who share the same space and who would like to spend a peaceful day, without idiots exhibiting themselves with a sock over their genitals. Likewise, serenity could be interrupted by a person coming to the beach in a burka, probably Islamic and, given the period of attacks, who knows what is hidden under the burka.

Returning to contexts, Wang does not look naked; we could at most say "a bit osé," but she is still wearing elegant clothes and elegant shoes which are nonetheless tolerated in the context she is in.

I honestly can't see a shop assistant dressed like Wang in a supermarket; I'm not saying she would look bad, simply that she would be a fish out of water because we are used to seeing supermarket shop assistants in work clothes.

TheSimon wrote:

Nudity can become art (see most sculptures),

True, but also perversion (perhaps)

http://svirgolettate.blogspot.it/2013/10/apoteosi-dellano-la-mostra-ojo-del-culo.html

I agree!

Honestly, I don't understand these things either. I see nothing artistic in it; I only see a publicity stunt to get people talking (in my opinion, not in a positive sense).

Ludovica wrote:

I will explain the burka in very Western terms. The burka serves to prevent a man from being cuckolded. To neutralize any possibility of betrayal, that is what it's for. However, they can do whatever they want... oh well!

:-)))

Finally, a response from a woman!

From now on, we will participate in the forum discussions "strictly" naked.

Deal with it.

;-)

Ludovica wrote:

By name and by deed, here is the "cazzino". The ones pointed out by TheSimon are still decent

http://www.dagospia.com/rubrica-2/media_e_tv/grande-richiesta-cazzino-nuova-moda-che-nessuno-adotter-94465.htm

:-))) (but they can, the shop assistant from Voghera CANNOT!)

(Besides, it shrinks instead of enhancing "the joys")

Ridiculous, but harmless.

TheSimon wrote:

I agree, but in my opinion we should focus the discussion not on nudity itself but on the context. Nudity can become art (see most sculptures), representing naked bodies, just like paintings on canvas. But an "unusual" nude, that is, in a context where nudity is usually not shown, represents scandal or exhibitionism for our culture. Look, if I am at the beach with my wife and children and I see someone dressed like the one in Ludovica's post, I'll beat him up and send him home full of bruises.

It is therefore a matter of respect for the people who share the same space and who would like to spend a peaceful day, without idiots exhibiting themselves with a sock over their genitals. Likewise, serenity could be interrupted by a person coming to the beach in a burka, probably Islamic and, given the period of attacks, who knows what they are hiding under the burka.

Turning back to contexts, Wang does not play naked; we could at most say "a bit osé," but she still wears elegant clothes and elegant shoes which are nonetheless tolerated in the context she is in.

I honestly can't see a shop assistant dressed like Wang in a supermarket; I'm not saying she would look bad, simply that she would be a fish out of water because we are used to seeing supermarket shop assistants in work clothes.

So if I wear a slightly osé outfit from Oviesse, I am not appropriate, whereas if I wear a slightly osé outfit from Versace, I am appropriate.

Wang, just like the shop assistant, is "working."

If seriousness is expected from a shop assistant, it must also be expected from a musician—in fact, all the more so from a musician.

I honestly didn't understand this one. It doesn't seem to me that I was talking about clothing brands, but about contexts.

Wang is working in a certain context, the shop assistant in another, regardless of the brand of clothing.

The parallel with your example is this... Since a shop assistant can go to work in jeans, a waiter working at the Hilton can also go to work in jeans because both are working. I don't understand the logic of this reasoning...

TheSimon wrote:

I sincerely didn't understand this one. It doesn't seem to me that I was talking about clothing brands, but about contexts.

Wang is working in a certain context, the shop assistant in another, regardless of the brand of the clothes.

The parallel with your example is this... Since a shop assistant goes to work in Jeans, a waiter working at the Hilton can go to work in Jeans because both are working. I don't understand the logic of this reasoning...

I must have explained myself poorly.

I will try to be clearer (today has been a struggle, I am exhausted). :-)

If the problem is nudity and the message that comes across is LOOK AT ME!, I find the pianist's risqué clothing (I would have something to say about Wang's elegance, but that would just be a matter of taste) less appropriate to the context compared to that of the shop assistant.

Well, I don't find it vulgar anyway; it is a slightly osé outfit but still elegant, which can therefore be used in an elegant context. Then, tastes come into play. What may appear to me as elegantly osé might appear brazen to others.

Viola wrote:

From now on, we will participate in the forum discussions "strictly" naked.

Get used to it.

;-)

So, if we play hardball, we men will participate "strictly" (and that's it)

Aside from the nonsense (sometimes I can't self-censor)... in my opinion, all the arguments I have read (from both sides) have merit, and it results in a sort of perpetual motion machine

If I must be blunt, I find myself with Simone's arguments: importance of security > duty to be recognizable.

If I have to go "philosophical"... this is where the perpetual motion is generated:

the burqa (the burkini is a derivative) in certain parts of the world arises as a male imposition on women.
in Italy, a woman is free to choose to wear a type of clothing that arises as an imposition
in France, a woman is "forced to be free" (!) from this imposition

I don't know. I struggle to keep up with all of this...

LucaCavaliere wrote:

If I have to go "philosophical"... this is where the perpetual motion is generated:

in Italy, a woman is free to choose to wear a type of clothing that originated as an imposition.

__________________________________________

This is "our" sugarcoated vision of the phenomenon.

In reality, the fundamentalists residing in our country don't give a damn about our laws and continue to follow their religious precepts and their neo-medieval customs.

A woman cannot freely choose to wear certain clothing; she must submit to religious precepts and/or family impositions.

Women are treated like breeding animals.

Let's not confuse them with the dear, good, kind, respectful, generous, and caring Italians (who drive us crazy).

Viola wrote:

But what I witness on a daily basis (and in person) frightens me.

My dear Viola, fear is a feeling that we all share with other animals, from the simplest to the largest and biggest, and for this reason, much like spirituality, it deserves the deepest respect and it would be a very grave error to ridicule it.

We all have fear; it's just that fear is subjective: there are those who fear certain things, those who fear others, and those who fear... both.

The fear that so many people have today regarding what is happening, for the changes, and for the future is very understandable and human, and it would be very wrong, on the part of each of us, regardless of how we think, not to take responsibility for it and, above all, to underestimate it.

This is because fear is a bad counselor, and if it concerns a large part of the population of this hemisphere, it should not be taken lightly at all.

Almost a century ago, in this same part of the world, out of fear of communism, a large segment of people turned to fascism, Francoism, and Nazism, hoping in this way to ward off the danger of the communist beast by entrusting themselves to the monster that led the world to catastrophe.

Today, for many Westerners, the danger is no longer communism—now definitively defeated—but it is this macedonia of cultures that the old continent is becoming.

There is fear of the "different," of the "other" than us, and we run the risk, advised and guided by fear, of delivering ourselves into the hands of populisms that erect and will erect walls, and that tell us that problems can only be solved by doing as they say.

But in my opinion, it is not so, and excuse my presumption.

Only tolerance, understanding, and respect between different cultures can allow us to continue to hope and make us more... "human" and united. It is not a matter of giving up our values—those born from the French Revolution and not yet even fully put into practice by us—but of making them truly universal.

To you—and to anyone who thinks like you—I dedicate this song, which is the most beautiful song in the world!

Open content (youtube)

One last thing:

it's not that I did without the priest,

to have the imam.

Over and out.

Have a good day, everyone.

Ms. Wang, like many female pianists today, chosen for their sexually attractive anatomical shapes rather than for their "art," dresses inappropriately and at the very least unacceptably for the place and occasion in which she, indeed, "works."

The clothes worn by fashionable female pianists have a concrete excess, an overload of sexual information, which disturbs anyone with a healthy psychophysical and sexual makeup.

It is a clearer message than that of the prostitutes at the station (or like the high-class escorts who dress exactly in that way), which is carried to extreme consequences by highly embarrassing attitudes at the keyboard that simulate intercourse and orgasm.

I find it even more embarrassing that no man has yet opposed this unbearable showcase of women sold for their bodies, for their appearance, even in art. (although, in truth, it has always been done...)

Or, excuse the psychoanalysis, is there so little live "hotness" to be seen that one needs to scrutinize it, to explore it morbidly everywhere, on every occasion, even at the theater?

Sincerely, if we must tell the truth, Argerich was much more sensual with those beautiful winter sweaters!

These women, both musically and physically, only show how badly off we are in music and in sex.

A very instructive program on the role of women in Western "culture"

http://it.dplay.com/take-me-out/stagione-1-episodio-40/

Insult to the Muslim woman, she will not remove the veil
The judge does not forgive: exemplary sentence

http://www.liberoquotidiano.it/news/italia/12015622/musulmana-non-toglie-velo-condannata-30mila-euro.html