The Link Between Music And Mathematics...

I believe there are generative music programs that also have image supports of this type. It's a bit like Windows Media Player or iTunes from back in the day; as far as I know, however, there are no composers who have paired musical processing according to mathematical criteria with graphic processing according to those same criteria. But I can't know everything, I am curious to know some examples

But yeeeeeeeeeeees.....coooooooome onnnnnnnn!!!!!! Thallo, I've caught you now!!!!

first of all, I greet you friendly and I am very happy to find you again in this forum!

the 'catching out' lies in this: it seems to me that Xenakis himself invented, designed, realized and used a computer system like this.

it is called UPIC and, essentially, it is a computer that transforms graphic and/or geometric elements that the user draws on a virtual blackboard, which are then virtually projected into space and time according to logics and parameters established a priori; therefore, the software creates a series of analogies between geometry and sound and from this music is born. UPIC, as stated by Xenakis himself, is an effective educational tool that, due to its ease of use, could be easily used by children. The source is "XENAKIS" by Enzo Restagno (EDT Torino).

best...and now....I am ready to be 'counter-caught'!!! ;-P

ScalaQuaranta

I was lucky, you caught me after one of the few messages where I wrote "I can't know everything". If I had concluded, as usual, with "and whoever says otherwise is an apostate!" I would have made an even worse sh*t-show ahahaha one day I will be truly forced to go and study Xenakis properly...

a hug to Scala Quaranta

Frank wrote:

I just realized that the Rebonds video has been removed, here is another one

Rebonds B from Iannis Xenakis

You can find the score here

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/1864-xenakis-rebonds/

There is also this for images, I haven't seen if it has been mentioned. I remember a piece that was the decay of a particle...

http://www.uisoftware.com/MetaSynth/index.php

OMG Thallo... it's Leibniz, not Descartes...

Giusantsot wrote:

On 6/3/2012 at 20:41, Giusantsot said:

Hello everyone! I am opening this new discussion because today with my math professor, I was talking about my activities outside the classroom, and among these music came up... She maintains that mathematics has a lot to do with music and maintains that whoever is a musician is also a bit of a mathematician, and whoever is a mathematician is also a bit of a musician... At first, I agreed with my teacher, but then I was left in doubt... Does the link between music and mathematics exist or not? And if it exists, in what way does it manifest itself? In this discussion, I invite all the more experienced users to answer me... Thank you for your attention and please respond!!!!!!!!!!

But mathematics is everywhere... is it used to represent with precision or with relative approximation all existing phenomena! ?

Magyar wrote:

On ‎21‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 23:32, Magyar said:

But mathematics is everywhere... it serves to represent with precision or with relative approximation all existing phenomena! ?

True, but the underlying question remains: "does mathematics serve to describe a creative process a posteriori, or can it already be part of the creative process?" Consider that in all music, especially tonal music, beauty is the exception... which happens not to be reducible to an "equation."

Music is mathematics, but mathematics can become music. Two different ways of looking at the issue.

In the same way one could say: Look what a beautiful rainbow! Yes, but it is only a refraction of sunlight...

Or: Listen how poetic this wind in your hair is! Yes, but it is only a displacement of air masses.

They are two opposing tensions of the soul: one wants to see the miracle being built through little bricks,

the other wants to take the toy apart, showing its gears to debase its poetry.

As the good Frank used to teach, "art shows and does not demonstrate". It makes me say... purpose in antithesis to mathematics.

DiesIrae wrote:

6 hours ago, DiesIrae said:

True, but the underlying question remains: "is mathematics used to describe a creative process a posteriori, or can it already be part of the creative process?" Consider that in all music, especially tonal music, beauty is the exception... which happens not to be reducible to an "equation."

In my opinion, it only describes the creative process. It describes the system (we are a system, as people, who perceive through the brain, each brain with its own anatomical characteristics—in fact, brains are not all the same, among other things...), it describes how far one can typically go with sound and interpretation so that others enjoy it (the average is also mathematics). It approximately describes the timings to adopt in relation to the specific system from which the piece is born, i.e., the "composer's system." In short, for me, it describes what already exists. It describes our physiological needs (tolerance thresholds). Consequently, it also describes Us with respect to Our listening habits, which partly plagiarize us.

But it also describes what we do not yet know, i.e., the unknown. And the unknown is not always possible to derive, especially when we lack the variables. All of this is very complex and we are only able to think about a few things at a time rationally; therefore, even if we were able to discover that there are exactly 2300 variables, we would not be able to emulate them, just as no one is able to exactly copy another pianist's playing style... but that is the beauty of it. It is the human limit, but also our strength.

DiesIrae wrote:

10 hours ago, DiesIrae said:

True, but the underlying question remains: "is mathematics used to describe a creative process a posteriori, or can it already be part of the creative process?" Consider that in all music, especially tonal music, beauty is the exception... which happens not to be reducible to an "equation."

Even "the indeterminate," "the impossible," and "the infinite" are all concepts expressed in mathematical language... precisely, it is a language for saying things or for "taking the measurements" of something one wants to create, but within something that already exists. Whether that something is then appreciated or useful is another matter.

We did not create space, nor did we create time...