The Philosophy of music, Friedrich Nietzsche.

Another more interesting link with mobile sheet music...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r_xIvlUYyPc

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I have listened to it a few times, and I must say that, the more I listen to it, the more I like this piece.

I knew Nietzsche as a philosopher, but not as a musician. Thank you Fabio for proposing him to us.

But yes, indeed, I didn't know him either and his compositions seemed interesting to me from an artistic point of view.

But then there are a thousand entanglements, like the famous madness letters that Nietzsche sent to all his acquaintances during a particular moment of crisis ....he sent them to his friend Von Bülow but also to his wife Cosima, Liszt's illegitimate daughter who became his wife and then married Wagner later on... ha ha... it's a beautiful anecdote in which Wagner, listening to the sound of the piano in the next room at his residence in Venice, said to his wife: "your father must be having serious problems"; he was surely referring to the mental condition of the pianist who was performing .....that is, Liszt, who had spent a period in Italy staying with them during that time ....and the curiosity doesn't end there... do you know what Liszt was playing? Perhaps he was improvising "the mournful gondola," a composition that originated from the sound of the gondola oars that annoyed him quite a bit with their mournful thud....woody.. ha ha, or perhaps other visionary pieces that were incomprehensible in their harmonies even to his son-in-law (Wagner).

It was not uncommon to see them at the window, talking to one another overlooking the Grand Canal, discussing music or orchestras... but can you imagine? Two titans of that caliber... what times..... there are incredible stories... if so, I will post some titles of interesting editions on the subject.

Thank you.

Reading the topic title I immediately thought of "Practical art is Apollonian, music is Dionysian" ... and instead...

Frank wrote:

Reading the topic title, I immediately thought of "Practical art is Apollonian, music is Dionysian" ... and instead...

and instead?

Instead of the...Birth of Tragedy.....the essential impulses, the Dionysian becoming and the harmonic measure of the Apollonian spirit...

enlightenment and romanticism?

LucaCavaliere wrote:

and instead?

Instead of being a philosophical topic, there is the possibility to listen to something. But what do you hear in this piece?

But ,,.Frank..I'll tell you..it is clear that they weren't written by a professional...that is to say, a true composer. After all, he was a self-taught musician..In the sense that, as far as I know, he mostly practiced as a child with his grandfather and performed often within the family circle...but in Germany this is quite normal...there was a moment when he thought about dedicating himself solely to music...he wrote various pieces, a mass etc. etc.

Wagner was very important, without a doubt...the style is romantic, but the harmonies actually don't build anything. They seem like ideas that roll in on themselves without constructing a real architecture.

Improvisations, in my opinion..

Returning to what you were saying about chance and improvisation, even if controlled within certain parameters, so could I at most post something even without having any knowledge of harmony? In my opinion, it is still useful for understanding the awareness of dynamics, timbre, rhythm..in a student.

Naturally, not comparable to actual compositions..but...soundscapes.

How do you see this Nietzsche? A bit like our Mendelssohn the draftsman?

You have made me very curious and I listened to it. . . . I don't dislike it

disagreeing that I like it would be impossible. What do I feel in this piece? I would say I am very much in line with what Fabio wrote in the post above: "They seem like ideas that roll in on themselves without building a real architecture. Improvisations."

But, one consideration: personally, I cannot consider an improvisation to be "composition" (it is a contradiction in terms).

Another consideration: people like Bach and Beethoven also improvised. And therefore, as Fabio says, we can speak of "soundscapes," yes, but then one must take into account how much experience the person venturing into these landscapes has in going "by instinct."

The fact remains, however, that improvisation is a musical phenomenon with its own value (even if I myself may not enjoy it).

Therefore

is it necessary to 'compose' to be able to call oneself a composer? (for me, yes)

is it sufficient to improvise "with style" to be able to call oneself a musician? (I, wouldn't know)

Anyway - returning to the piece - I don't dislike it and . . it doesn't bother me.

I cannot say the same for this other piece

I had to listen to it at the end of a recital, which was very beautiful by the way: both for the pianist and for the pieces.

When this last piece arrived, which I already knew, I wanted (intentionally) to doze off. I didn't succeed.

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The storm and then the calm....ha ha...the girl is traveling anyway, right? Yes, starting with the recording which doesn't help but they seem like the classic evolutions that end up being all the same...I don't know how to say it.

Anyway, I don't even have the pieces to judge.

But at the end of a recital in what sense? I mean, did she play other things and then this arrived at the end of the program or ...something else...,(-;/,:?'b.

fabio73 wrote:

But at the end of a recital, in what sense? I mean, did she play other things and then this one arrived at the end of the program

Yes, exactly in that sense.

But she wasn't the pianist (I linked that video only because it's the first one I found on YouTube)

the program for the evening, and the pianist, were these:

pianist ZHARKO PAUNOV

F. Liszt, Ballade No. 2 in B minor

S. Prokofiev, Sonata No. 7 in B-flat major op.83

F. Chopin, Mazurkas op.30

F. Chopin, Polonaise in A-flat major op.53

A. Grünfeld, Soirée de Vienne op.56

M. Balakirev, Islamey op.18

[Anyway, on this occasion I apologize for causing an OT ... the discussion ON TOPIC was interesting]

No, don't even worry about it... in fact, it is difficult to post every sudden or impulsive idea in the appropriate boxes.. I don't do very well either..

...maybe useful