Tonic accents and syllabification of "Ave Maria" in Latin

I wouldn't want to say something stupid, but doesn't Maria have the accent on the "i"?

Gatto wrote:

I wouldn't want to say something stupid, but doesn't Maria have the accent on the "i"?

Then it should also apply to Gratìa, right?

Our former Latin teacher at high school (not by chance her name was De Rubeis - De + Ablative... Complement of argument), used to make us recite the Ave Maria in Latin every time she examined us; if we knew it fluently, she would proceed with the oral exam, otherwise she would give us a 2 and send us to our seats without even continuing the examination. You could have studied the lesson perfectly, but without the Ave Maria, it was a 2!

I, obviously, to avoid a flat 2, remember it very well. Below I have put the necessary corrections...

A-ve Ma-ri-a, gra-ti-a ple-na,

Do-mi-nus te-cum,

Be-ne-di-cta tu in mu-li-e-ri-bus, (tu-in mulieribus becomes [tuinmu-liéribus] when pronounced in speech)
et be-ne-di-ctus fruc-tus ven-tris tu-i, I-e-sus.

San-cta Ma-ri-a, Ma-ter De-i,

o-ra pro no-bis pec-ca-to-ri-bus, nunc et in ho-ra mor-tis nos-trae. (here too nunc et in hora is pronounced [nùnchetin-hòra])
A-men

Aspirante wrote:

Then it should also apply to Gratìa, right?

According to what logic??? You say "grazìa" in Italian??? Come on...

In short, I didn't catch one

What seemed strange to me is that for such a widespread text there is nothing on the web; moreover, in various choral music workshops, much more unusual texts have been used, but a useful link always turned up

Thanks TheSmon

Only observation: Je-sus is 2 syllables and not 3.

Agreed with Zedef, Iesus and on 2 syllables... I also checked a couple of original pieces... and so it is

Sorry, I actually hadn't noticed the syllabification since I had only corrected the wrong accents on a copy and paste of the original post. Of course, obviously Jè-sus is 2 syllables

Be-ne-dì-cta or be-ne-dìc-tus?

with which accent, in your opinion?

...understood

Since there is the c, a silent consonant, the correct syllabification should be be-ne-dí-ctus (with a modern acute accent).

In any case, it is enough to take a Gregorian chant from the triplex/usualis to see the syllabification ( http://www.christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/partituras/of_benedictus_qui_venit.gif ).

Great Zedef

I gave the thread a quick read

> Sànc-ta

In my opinion, it's Sàn-cta

In effect.. the a is "acute" though : Sán-cta.

Zedef wrote:

In fact.. the a is "acute"

... I've never understood a damn thing about these accent business. A summary?

In reality, Latin did not have "accents" but quantities (short and long).

The use of grave and acute accents became established over time to emphasize timbral intonation: according to Priscian (a 5th-century grammarian), the accent gravis is so named «quod deprimat aut deponat» ("because it lowers or depresses") the syllable on which it is placed, unlike the acutus, which "acuat sive elevet" ("makes acute or raises" the syllable).

Source: Enciclopedia dell'Italiano - Treccàni... or Treccáni?

And to tell the whole truth, even

TheSimon wrote:

frùc-tus

would be frù-ctus

This Hail Mary is turning into a stations of the cross

Summarizing

Hail Mary, full of grace,

Lord with thee,

Blessed art thou among women,

and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God,

pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.

Amen

... sounds a bit like the story of Gravoznia, doesn't it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjYdw12rVs

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