L. V. Beethoven

Vienna does not deserve Beethoven ... but neither Schubert, Brahms and Schoenberg

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Six years ago, when I first went there, I noticed how Vienna was Mozart-centric today - but for exclusively tourist-commercial purposes - and had largely forgotten all the other composers who, in one way or another, had made its musical past great.
Such was the disappointment that I promised myself I would never set foot on that soil again but, given my youngest son's desire to visit the houses and graves of the great composers - six years ago he was still very small and did not study music - I yielded, hoping at least in part to change my mind about this first judgment.
In vain these days have I searched for a "serious" concert. The only ones proposed to me, like street vendors, were always centered on Mozart and his overtures from the most famous operas and on Johann Strauss, whom I cannot stand at all. At a certain point, I said openly to those who kept offering me the same old stories: Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Schoenberg ... these are the composers I want to listen to. Why has Vienna forgotten them? They looked at me perplexed and astonished ... and did not answer.
If this Mozart-centrism can find some justification in the fact that he was the greatest pure Austrian composer, it does not, however, justify the forgetting of other Austrian composers: Schubert - who is nonetheless a giant - relegated to two houses, his birthplace and his place of death, and Schoenberg - another giant - whose tomb - the only testimony dedicated to him - is forgotten by all visitors.
The reality is that Vienna is forced to endure the cumbersome presence of a Beethoven to whom it reluctantly dedicates something but, for the rest, only Mozart exists.
Mozart's statue is in a beautiful park with a flowerbed shaped like a treble clef in front of it and crowds of tourists photographing it. Beethoven's statue is there, in a remote spot, quite damaged and with only me, my son, and my wife in front of it.
Mozart's house, although originally only on the first floor, now occupies the entire palace with every possible comfort.
The Pasqualati House - the main house in which Beethoven lived among the countless ones in Vienna - is a small apartment and it is not even certain that it is the one occupied by the composer.
Brahms' house was destroyed in 1906 for reasons I do not know and now, he finds hospitality in a small room in Haydn's house.

For the rest ... nothing!

... fortunately there is "Klimt's Beethoven Frieze!"

... and fortunately I bought the 69 CDs of Schubert's complete works!

... and also that my son, for the first time, placed his hands on a harpsichord. His happiness was wonderful!

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Reply 2 by Ismaele

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Thanks for the tip. Since in a little more than 5 years it will be the 150th anniversary of Beethoven's birth, I was thinking of going to Bonn and Vienna. But if you tell me that there isn't much in Vienna, relatively speaking regarding Beethoven, I think I won't go, also considering the fact that it is expensive (at least that's what I've heard!).

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Reply 3 by Frank

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Without going too far, on the one euro coin, who had precedence?

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Reply 4 by LucaCavaliere

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Dear Daniele

i am sorry that you have confirmed this impression of which I already knew.

On the other hand, I am very happy that it was your youngest son who prompted you to return there

Obviously, having also been in Vienna with you, I agree with what you say. In part, I am sorry. But only up to a certain point.

What do I mean by "up to a certain point"?

I mean that Beethoven (and the other Greats) are not there, in the tombs, and in the homes where they lived and composed. But in the hearts of those who keep their music alive, performing it, listening to it, loving it.

When I was in Vienna, from the grass growing on Beethoven's grave, I picked a very ordinary clover which, since then, has hung dried between the second and third movements of my score of the Pathétique. But mine was just the gesture of someone who wants to be a bit of a fanatic (knowing, however, that he is one).

in that clover there is nothing of Beethoven, just as there is nothing of him in the locks of hair that have remained to us or in other objects of his daily life. I would dare to say that there is - not "nothing" - but very little of him even in the autograph scores and sketchbooks that have reached us.

But where his music is performed and listened to, there he is. Vienna or not Vienna. (him like all the others you mentioned).

I came to this conviction when, in Piazza della Scala crowded with people, the funeral march of the Eroica was performed in an empty theater in memory of Abbado. To have all those people by your side in silence, letting themselves be seized by the music of a man who lived two hundred years ago...... If this isn't being alive!?...

Perhaps even in this there is the sense of that "from the heart it may reach the hearts""}

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Reply 5 by danielescarpetti

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Dear Luca ,,, what can I say to you that I haven't already said?

You have always had the distinction of making me moved - crying - with certain very inspired writings of yours.

And it's true: it takes very little to make me move! But you are not 'very little'!

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Reply 6 by Frank

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LucaCavaliere wrote:

I mean that Beethoven (and the other Greats) are not there, in the tombs, and in the homes where they lived and composed.

This embodies exactly my thought

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