... Was Handel really "necessary"? ... And Leonardo Vinci?

Marebu wrote:

Strange question, among other things I love Handel, but after listening to this one, you really can't help but wonder:

"is there really all this need for Handel?"

I believe that no baroque opera more splendid and overwhelming than this one:

you're doing it to provoke, aren't you?

Let's relegate the discussion to a matter of taste. I know several Handel arias that I like much more than these three by Vinci that you linked...

Marebu wrote:

Strange question, among other things I love Handel, but after listening to this one, you really start to wonder:

"is there really all this need for Handel?"

I believe that no baroque opera more splendid and overwhelming than this one exists:

To use your expression: "it makes me wonder" how many of Handel's approximately 40 operas you know and how many of the baroque operas commonly performed today you have listened to, in order to be able to say that "no baroque opera more splendid and overwhelming than this one exists". The question is serious, obviously.

It is as if I were to say (knowing little, anyway, about the period which in a certain sense fascinates me more than others) that Bach is more than enough, knowing that if it hadn't been for him we wouldn't have had (probably) all the other masterpieces and the same evolutionary line from the 1600s to today; and I think it is the same thing if we start from a period prior to his: would Bach have been (even if the question may not have a single and especially definitive answer, and I don't think that is possible) what we know of him today if he hadn't studied and delved into the composers and works preceding him?

Here too, I really think not; a person's awareness cannot be independent of the past nor of what is to come, otherwise

it is self-referential and leads to nothing, and above all, it is not a source of inspiration for those who will listen to and study him.

Piccinesco wrote:

It is as if I were saying (knowing little, anyway, about the period which in a certain sense fascinates me more than others) that Bach is enough and more, knowing that if it hadn't been for him we wouldn't have had (probably) all the other masterpieces and the same evolutionary line from the 1600s to today; and I think it is the same thing if we start from a period prior to his: would Bach have been (even if the question may not have a single and especially definitive answer, and I don't think that is possible) what we know today if he hadn't studied and deepened his knowledge of the composers and works preceding him?

Even here, I really think not; a person's awareness cannot be independent of the past nor of what is to come, otherwise

it is self-referential and leads to nothing, and above all, it is not a source of inspiration for those who will listen to and study him.

Excuse me, but how many "works" did Bach write?

Carlos wrote:

To use your expression: "to me it makes me wonder" how many of Handel's approximately 40 works you know and how many of the Baroque works commonly performed today you have listened to, in order to be able to say that "there is no Baroque opera more splendid and overwhelming than this". The question is serious, obviously.

Aside from the fact that "a me mi" didn't come out very well for me, I have followed several of Handel's works; I have already said he is one of my favorite composers

If you really want to shatter Adam's attributes, try Rinaldo

thallo wrote:

I know several Handel arias that I like much more than these three by Vinci that you linked...

I'm curious, which ones?

Maybe suggest one in your weekly appointment... by the way, when is the second one coming?

I wrote works so as not to always be writing compositions.

Anyway, do we want to stop at the number of compositions or at the quality?

A bit like how Thallo was writing, I think you are doing it just to provoke.

I leave you to them; I stopped at listening (not to everything Bach wrote and more), they

doubtless know more.

Everything I know of Handel's work in this genre is not even comparable to Vinci's Partenope.

However, once again it must be noted that, apart from a sonata for flute and harpsichord, practically nothing is known about this composer. Which, in my opinion, is illogical and scandalous.

Piccinesco wrote:

I wrote works so as not to always write compositions.

Anyway, do we want to stop at the number of compositions or at the quality?

A bit like how Thallo was writing, I think you are doing it just to provoke.

I leave you to them, I stopped at listening (not to everything Bach wrote and more), they

surely know more.

...I mean, but do you know what an Opera is?

BackSpace, I found only one CD

http://www.amazon.it/Sacrificium-Compilation/dp/B002GYGT1C/ref=sr_1_2?

...gems:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-TxyDICMU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQzXmRhLDJI

http://www.amazon.it/Sacrificium-Compilation/dp/B002GYGT1C/ref=sr_1_2?

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It has been years since Vinci's Partenope (with Florio) should have been released on CD, but for some reason the project did not come to fruition. However, the release of the opera on DVD (Dynamic) should be imminent, recorded in Spain in 2009 with a cast very close to that of Beaune in 2004:

Partenope: Sonia Prina

Rosmira: Maria Grazia Schiavo

Arsace: Maria Ercolano

Emilio: Eufemia Tufano

Armindo: Stefano Ferrari

Ormonte: Charles Dos Santos

Cappella della Pietà de' Turchini - Antonio Florio

Some clips from YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQrr3HalfxU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HxcpyzwIR0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=426KHZhZU1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ppR438aqs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLuAmbSEuwM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3AzZQwBKL4

It is interesting that in this production they tried to reproduce 18th-century scenes and costumes... we will see later how successful they were.

Marebu wrote:

...I mean, do you even know what an Opera is?

No look, I don't even know what my name is.

...so what does the comparison with Bach have to do with it? If you had spoken of other composers who dedicated themselves to the genre ...ok. Oh well

I wonder: has anyone realized the stylistic difference between the two composers in question?

I have a vague impression that many limit themselves to expressing judgments, talking about music, without actually having listened to it and metabolized it properly. Vinci but also Hasse, Pergolesi, the late Porpora and others all have a language later than that adopted by Handel

Tenore wrote:

It has been years since Vinci's Partenope (with Florio) should have been released on CD, but for some reason the project did not come to fruition. However, the release of the opera on DVD (Dynamic) should be imminent, recorded in Spain in 2009 with a cast very close to that of Beaune in 2004:

Partenope: Sonia Prina

Rosmira: Maria Grazia Schiavo

Arsace: Maria Ercolano

Emilio: Eufemia Tufano

Armindo: Stefano Ferrari

Ormonte: Charles Dos Santos

Cappella della Pietà de' Turchini - Antonio Florio

Some clips from YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQrr3HalfxU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HxcpyzwIR0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=426KHZhZU1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ppR438aqs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLuAmbSEuwM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3AzZQwBKL4

It is interesting that in this production they attempted to reproduce 18th-century scenes and costumes... we will see later how successful they were.

Good news, starting from December of this year Diego Fasolis will perform Vinci's Artaserse in a series of theaters.

It wouldn't even be necessary to remind the distracted of the quality of Vinci's music, but here is a taste:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq8PVZChKnY

Unfortunately, Jaroussky will be the protagonist in all the performances. Thus, what could have been a golden opportunity is compromised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQrr3HalfxUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HxcpyzwIR0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=426KHZhZU1Qhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ppR438aqs4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLuAmbSEuwMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3AzZQwBKL4

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