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It seems like a stupid question, but I want to start from the now-infamous phrase: “When you don't know what it is, then it's jazz!” (The Legend of 1900), which is perhaps a premise for it.
Discussions between Modal/tonal and other styles lead me to ask the question in question, and in particular I would like to ask: what are the structural elements that can determine whether a piece is Jazz or not?
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- Jazz harmony is already a perimeter (there is a tremendous variety of chords, inversions and connections that are not used in classical harmony)
- Some types of substitution are a perimeter
- Pronunciation is a perimeter
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Great question! (looks like I'll have to change my name )
perhaps the centrality of improvisation?
The rhythmic richness? The interaction between musicians?
these are not structural elements, but they serve to extend beyond, where one cannot speak of chords or scales...
in order for a piece to be called jazz, must there be a common thread that links it to its origins? a traceable evolutionary path?
for example, where the structural elements are lacking, can we still speak of "blues feeling"?
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I'll play devil's advocate for a bit
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>perhaps the centrality of improvisation?
True, but then are the continuists Jazz musicians or are the Jazz musicians continuists?
> The rhythmic richness?
...and the Flemish?
> The interaction between musicians?
Revisit the continuists
GnazzJazz wrote:for a piece to be called jazz, must there be a common thread that links it to its origins? a traceable evolutionary path?
for example, where structural elements are lacking, can one still speak of "blues feeling"?
Why do you mention the Blues?
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Gibson wrote:- Jazz harmony is already a perimeter (there is a staggering variety of chords, inversions, and connections that are not used in classical harmony)
- Some types of substitution are a perimeter
- Pronunciation is a perimeter
This seems more tangible to me.
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Perhaps more an interpretive style than a genre.
It is still always a problem to label a musical genre. E.g.: what is classical music?
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DrJellyfish wrote:Perhaps more an interpretive style than a genre.
And it is always a problem to label a musical genre. For example: what is classical music?
One often falls back into this question; here, more precisely, it is: what does classical music contain?
In my opinion, Jazz as well
So perhaps it is easier to detail Jazz and differentiate it from aleatoric music. No?
