What is the message of the ode to joy included in Beethoven's ninth symphony?

Do you mean "message" in relation to the European anthem or translation in general?

Because if it were just for the translation, you can look up the translation of the ode to Schiller's Ode to Joy.

... perhaps you will be disappointed in many respects.

GianBurrasca wrote:

What is the message of the ode to joy included in Beethoven's ninth symphony?

Thanks to anyone who wishes to contribute

Hi GianBurrasca

i have already given enough . . .

http://www.flaminioonline.it/Guide/Beethoven/Beethoven-Sinfonia9.html

(listening guide no. 3)

if I must answer your question in extreme brevity, I would say:

A joy understood not as a state of achieved happiness but as a state of mind: an inner strength with which to weather the inevitable storms of life.

(And succeeding at it is another matter entirely. If Beethoven succeeded, he has my full admiration)

Azzurro wrote:

... perhaps you will be disappointed in many respects.

Type?

Azzurro wrote:

... perhaps you will be disappointed in many respects.
 

Frank wrote:

Type?

Type?

Do you find references to the female sex?

I can (very relatively) understand in the 1800s... but that a text with such a wide omission be chosen as representative of ALL (including women) of Europe.... well!?

Ah, there it is.... Europe.

I hadn't thought of that.

It might be a limitation of mine but, when I hear talk of 'Ode to Joy' all I can think of is:

Beethoven, Schiller, Ninth Symphony...

Age of Enlightenment, Freemasonry, Wagnerian ideas, Verdian critiques, Massimo Mila... (I don't get as far as Brussels)

Azzurro wrote:

Have references been found to the gentleman's seat?

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinfonia_n._9_%28Beethoven%29

Wer ein holdes Weib errungen, he who has won a lovely wife,

Mische seinen Jubel ein! Let him join his jubilation!

Is that enough?

I would go even further: throughout the Ode to Joy, femininity is its center.

Joy, beautiful divine spark,
daughter of Elysium,
we enter, drunk and trembling,
celestial, into your temple.
Your charm reunites
what fashion separated,
every man becomes a brother
where your gentle wing flutters.

All living beings drink Joy
from the breasts of nature;
the good and the wicked go
along her path of roses!
She has given us kisses and grapes,

All living beings drink Joy

from the breasts of nature;
the good and the wicked go
along her path of roses!
She has given us kisses and grapes,

The words in bold have a strong reference to femininity. Joy and Nature are representative above all of femininity

Already!... the breasts of Nature, your charm, the daughter of Elysium.... I hadn't noticed it.