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When Does a Piece of Music Really End?

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Opening post by Kappa

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I'll start with the following question: do you think a piece of music truly ends "when it is no longer audible"?

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Reply 3 by aaa

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I don't know if there is a trick to the question or not, so I will conclude with a maxim:

When one has listened to Mozart, the silence that follows is still Mozart's (Sacha Guitry)

When does the piece end then? When the physical phenomenon ends, or when it has finished "working" inside of us?

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Reply 4 by Carlos

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aaa wrote:

When does the piece end then? When the physical phenomenon ends or when it has finished "working" inside of us?

I don't want to take the poetry out of your question, so please don't take it personally, really, but I couldn't resist...

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Reply 5 by Kappa

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One of my favorite scenes Carlos. I didn't understand what you think about the matter ... if you always have an idea on the subject.

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Reply 6 by Kappa

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aaa wrote:

I don't know if there is a trick to the question or not, so I will conclude with a maxim:

When one has listened to Mozart, the silence that follows is still Mozart's (Sacha Guitry)

When does the piece end, then? When the physical phenomenon ends, or when it has finished "working" inside of us?

A good start; in your opinion, does the opposite case also exist... a piece that physically ends before its "sonorous" end?

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Reply 7 by Trade1

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Kappa wrote:

A good start, do you think the opposite case also exists... a piece that stops before a "sonorous" end?

...it depends on how much boredom a piece arouses

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Reply 8 by Carlos

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Kappa wrote:

One of my favorite scenes, Carlos. I didn't understand what you think about the matter... that is, if you have an idea on the subject.

Yes, I do, and it's that for such topics any answer is valid, so I refrain from commenting. In fact, I'll pose a counter-question: if I go to listen to a piece that I know and I think about it before actually listening to it, has that piece already begun? When does a piece truly begin: when I hear it or when I think of it? Do you understand what I mean? We are heading into nonsense territory, so I'll stop here...

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Reply 9 by Kappa

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It seems interesting to me (including your reference to the beginning of the pieces that we know), if it then reminds you of the Tognazzi film ...

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Reply 10 by Carlos

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Kappa wrote:

It seems interesting to me (including your reference to the beginning of the pieces that we know), if it then reminds you of the Tognazzi film...

Your question reminds me of the Tognazzi film, not the subject itself, which I do not think can be discussed here on a forum, also because it concerns the intimate sphere of each of us and the way in which everyone lives music, the listening to music, and the concert experience, played firsthand and listened to. I am sure you will receive much satisfaction from other users (who for now perhaps are thinking about what to answer your question). Since this interests you, you could try to express your own opinion, so that those who want to intervene will have an idea of what it is you are referring to. Bye.

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Reply 12 by Kappa

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Frank wrote:

In my opinion, one interesting thing could be to slip Webern into the discussion

Interesting, how?

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