- Wozzeck by Alban Berg (Maderna version, available in full on YouTube.
I'm not crazy about Wozzeck, even if it is at least interesting; the final closing is very beautiful...
... don't you think that the plot revolving around the poor man, lover and murderer of the prostitute, reminds you of one of the tracks from "Rocco and His Brothers"?
...doesn't the plot revolving around the poor man, lover and murderer of the prostitute, remind you of one of the tracks from "Rocco and His Brothers"?
Woyzeck is a drama by Georg Büchner and was written in 1836
I don't know why, but when I read Ettore's post, I remembered reading something that could be linked to his question and searching a bit on Surian (a random book), IV volume, the one dedicated to the 1900s... at one point, speaking of Berg, regarding Wozzeck, it reads:
"Berg renounced the mediation of a librettist and, as Debussy had done for Pelléas et Mélisande (cf. chapter 29), took such and such (with some trimming) the text of the drama Woyzech (1936) by Georg Büchner (1813-1837), considered the greatest German dramatist of the era".
... I leave to you the logical and grammatical analysis of the sentence
from an unclear text, wrong conclusions are drawn :-) but oh well, I guess Surjan took for granted that different texts were being discussed
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I have become a super expert "proofreader" (someone knows why) and therefore I think I would fix the sentence by moving one 'e':
Berg renounced the mediation of a librettist, as Debussy had done for Pelléas et Mélisande (cf. ch. 29), and took as it was (with a few snips) the text of the drama of Woyzech etc etc etc...
That said, however, the key lies in cf. ch. 29: if you know what is being discussed there is no need, otherwise one must go back and read
Frank wrote:
"Berg renounced the mediation of a librettist and, as Debussy had done for Pelléas et Mélisande (cf. ch. 29), took as it was (with a few snips) the text of the drama of Woyzech (1936) by Georg Büchner (1813-1837), considered the greatest German dramatist of the era".
... I leave the logical and grammatical analysis of the sentence to you
Carlos, you almost took the words right out of my mouth... aside from the "cf.", it is assumed that one has passed through Debussy before arriving at Berg
Anyway, usually one studies [it] first, the Second Viennese School is treated separately or at least in succession ...
... who knows how Ettore arrived at that conclusion ... .. .
Guys, given that I am not familiar with Debussy's work, and not knowing the source (thanks Frank) from which the snippet had been taken, I had no idea at all and the sentence is very cryptic.
Tantamount to the fact that whoever reported that sentence thought it wise to remove the "cf." and I stumbled into the misunderstanding... but the doubt had occurred to me, otherwise I wouldn't have posted the question ...
