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Writing Djembe Rhythms on the Staff

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I started a djembe course in October, I am having difficulty remembering the rhythms that the teacher teaches me.. at my request to have the rhythms written on a musical staff, the teacher told me that I must manage on my own... meaning either by recording the sounds or by writing the basic beats as ta (for the slap), te (for the open), pa (for the bass). I am following a music theory course, something I had already done in the past, and since the teacher (from Guinea-Bissau) doesn't write anything for me, I have to do it myself. I wonder:

perhaps the Djembe is studied only orally?

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Reply 2 by Marcello

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If I have understood the discussion correctly, it seems like a very difficult field to me. Can anyone talk about it ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Reply 3 by JamSession

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Rhythm in the Djembe flows thanks to several factors, each of which gives a specific impression to the listener's ear. It happens that a very simple rhythmic pattern transforms into something very beautiful and varied to listen to, and it can happen that when approaching the study of the Djembe language, one has the impression of being faced with something potentially difficult to execute.

These factors greatly influence listening and hide the understanding of the degree of performance difficulty, sometimes making patterns seem difficult when they are not at all.

It is clear that there are virtuosity and difficult figures that require solid preparation, but many "simple" figures together... can make something seem difficult that, upon careful analysis of the sound material, is not; in fact, it often happens that after such analysis, everything can seem more accessible.

There are 4 factors and they all contribute together to the rhythm that emerges from a Djembe ๐Ÿ˜‰

The first factor is rhythmic patterns such as: duplets, triplets, an eighth note followed by two sixteenth notes, the dotted eighth note followed by a sixteenth note, sextuplets, etc., in other words, everything that is part of the written musical repertoire of the West (I would not neglect duration and all the classification of time signatures, duple and triple, simple and compound, etc.)

The second factor is the accents placed within the rhythmic patterns, see the discussion on syncopation. In fact, African music has a great preference for the upbeat, and many of the Djembe's rhythmic patterns begin on the upbeat, which is one of the most powerful factors affecting rhythm.

The third factor is the way of striking the Djembe. There are four main types of colors in the stroke: Slap, Tone, Bass, and Ghost (there is also the Flam, but it is not appropriate to call it a color, and it is essentially a stroke given in unison by both hands; in African music, this unison is slightly offset so much that it almost sounds like two strokes, one extremely fast following the other).

The combination of all these strokes adds complexity to the rhythm as well as great pleasure to the ear.

These are the counterparts of the "voices" of Western classical music... giving strength to one voice or another, or integrating and intertwining them to enhance each one, depending on the moment, adds depth, beauty, and uniqueness to the sound, the rhythm, and the piece being performed.

The difficulty that even an experienced musician may encounter is that the succession of colors in one way or another makes the same rhythmic patterns seem very different from each other; at this point, only a careful analysis of the sound material can facilitate the rhythmic and performance understanding of a piece.

The fourth factor, which is also an interpretive mode and contributes to the listening dynamics, is the dynamics of the stroke and the part of the instrument that the player strikes.

The softness of the hand, the number of fingers involved, the position the hand takes when striking the skin, the style of a particular performer... who started from standard percussion techniques, etc., also matter.

For technical study, it would be useful to delve into these factors one at a time.

manu59โ€ฆ how to write all this?

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Reply 5 by Destroyed

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In a similar situation, Dante (for drums) had been suggested to me; I haven't acquired it yet and perhaps you know it and can eventually confirm whether or not these particular rhythms are present (they told me halfway through the book).

Great DrJellyfish...JamSession too ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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Reply 6 by AleGozzo

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hi, I play the drums (not percussion) and I am quite skilled with rhythms, but I understand that the problem is not so much the djembe in particular, as rather the inability to write, or transcribe, rhythms in general.

if you want to send me a private message, explain your difficulties to me well and we'll see if I can help you ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Reply 7 by JamSession

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AleGozzo wrote:

I seem to understand that the problem is not so much the djembe in particular, but rather the inability to write, or transcribe, rhythms in general.

I was responding to Marcello ๐Ÿ˜‰

...and then: "maybe the Djembe is only studied orally"... DrJellyfish's examples are a demonstration to the contrary ๐Ÿ˜‰

Anyway, I am also curious... mp or not mp...

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Reply 8 by Marcello

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JamSession wrote:

The rhythm in the Djembe flows thanks to several factors, each of which gives a specific impression to the listener's ear. It happens that a very simple rhythmic pattern transforms into something very beautiful and varied to listen to, and it can happen that when approaching the study of the Djembe language, one has the impression of being faced with something potentially difficult to perform.

These factors greatly influence listening and hide the understanding of the degree of performance difficulty, sometimes making patterns seem difficult when they are not at all.

It is clear that there are virtuosity and difficult figures that require solid preparation, but many "simple" figures together... can make something seem difficult that, from a careful analysis of the sound material, is not; in fact, it often happens that after such an analysis, everything can seem more accessible.

There are 4 factors and they all contribute together to the rhythm that emerges from a Djembe ๐Ÿ˜‰

The first factor is rhythmic patterns such as: duplets, triplets, an eighth note followed by two sixteenth notes, a dotted eighth note followed by a sixteenth note, sextuplets, etc., in other words, everything that is part of the written musical repertoire of the West (I would not overlook duration and all the classification of time signatures, duple and triple, simple and compound, etc.)

The second factor is the accents placed within the rhythmic patterns, see the discussion on syncopation. In fact, African music has a great preference for the upbeat, and many of the Djembe's rhythmic patterns begin on the upbeat, one of the most powerful factors affecting rhythm.

The third factor is the way of striking the Djembe. There are four main types of colors in the stroke: Slap, Tone, Bass, and Ghost (there is also the Flam, but it is not appropriate to call it a color; it is essentially a stroke given in unison by both hands; in African music, this unison is slightly offset so much that it almost sounds like two strokes, one extremely fast following the other).

The combination of all these strokes adds complexity to the rhythm as well as great pleasure to the ear.

These are the counterparts to the "voices" of Western classical music... giving strength to one voice or another, or integrating and intertwining them to enhance each one, depending on the moment, adds depth, beauty, and uniqueness to the sound, the rhythm, and the piece being performed.

The difficulty that even an experienced musician may encounter is that the succession of colors in one way or another makes the same rhythmic patterns seem very different from each other; at this point, only a careful analysis of the sound material can facilitate the rhythmic and performance understanding of a piece.

The fourth factor, which is also an interpretative mode and contributes to the listening dynamics, is the dynamics of the stroke and the part of the instrument that the percussionist strikes.

Hand softness, the number of fingers involved, the position the hand takes when striking the skin, the style of a particular performer... who started from standard percussion techniques, etc., also matter.

For technical study, it would be useful to delve into these factors one at a time.

manu59โ€ฆ how to write all this?

Thank you Jam Session ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Reply 9 by AleGozzo

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Jam Session, I was responding to manu59 ๐Ÿ™‚

it seemed to me that he had difficulty with rhythmic solfeggio in general, but maybe I misunderstood and he simply didn't feel like writing them out himself ....

I don't have any great secrets to reveal, I would have simply given him a few tips on how to approach studying and, maybe, some patterns for practicing.

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Reply 10 by JamSession

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AleGozzo wrote:

I don't have any great secrets to reveal, I would have simply given him a few tips on how to approach studying and, maybe, some patterns for practicing.

... it is that I would be interested too ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Reply 11 by AleGozzo

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Ah, but don't you already know rhythmic solfรจge?!

the method they taught me is specific to drums/percussion, since it doesn't distinguish between rests and notes, but involves counting everything the same way.

anyway, as a general framework:

- always study with a metronome or similar.

- always count out loud.

- counting method (in English):

the minimum unit to chant is the quarter note (one - two - three - four - etc)

if there are eighth notes to play, they should be chanted with "and" (pronouncing "en"): one en - two en - etc

if there are sixteenth notes, with "i" the second, and with "dia" the fourth: one i en dia - two i en dia - etc

even if you have a dactyl or anapest rhythm, at first it is advisable to count all sixteenth notes, then you can limit yourself to those to be played:

one en dia - two en dia .... or one i en - two i en (in syncopations, however, it's better to count the rest as well)

for eighth note triplets: one ta ta - two ta ta etc

for sixteenth notes: one ta ta en ta ta - etc

for irregular groups you can repeat a sound of your choice, but when you tackle them you should already be able to do them by chanting only the quarter notes or eighth notes.

That said, it's then a matter of taking some rhythmic solfรจge exercises and studying them (there are tons of them), until reaching the more complex ones like marches.

I don't know if this was what you had in mind, let me know if so ๐Ÿ˜‰

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Reply 12 by JamSession

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...I understand Ale, I was expecting a different kind of post, that's why I had insisted... anyway, it doesn't hurt ๐Ÿ˜‰

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