Just as I was not even referring to any specific piece proposed here, but simply to an anthropological and social aspect of communication, clearly highlighted by a post from a user.
I understand... however, I remain curious about the issue of the mediator's moral responsibility. It is a topic I find interesting. Let's say that a person (without any particular reference) assumes the role of a mediator, even just because they are talking about a piece or an author they like or find interesting: in what terms are they morally responsible for their own discourse? Even keeping in mind that in a "forum" type context users, in principle, are all equal, and authority can only come—I believe—from arguments?
RedS's question is interesting... but let's use another example using names and surnames (but out of context), just so we understand each other.
If Zedef (not a new forum member, just to change the name) says that in a tonal context it can go to the fifth, there is no need for him to indicate the page of the manual where he studied it because I have, voluntarily or involuntarily, formed my own opinion on the reliability of what he claims regardless of the argument, which can be used in case of divergence or "conflict."
If someone is credible, why not trust them?
Of course, if a new member claims the same thing: "It typically goes to V in a tonal context" and I don't have the autonomy to understand if it's true and I don't know the new member, I think it is natural to think: "Is it true?"... maybe then I ask for a page from a manual...
I think it is quite "natural"... it is a problem of knowing the other person and the scope is perhaps strictly sociological... there is no point pretending that we are not in a community where, in the end, you can get to know each other regardless of various types of "filters"...
Which is also somewhat the logic of resumes and references... one doesn't know a new person but reads that they have 3 diplomas, have made 30 records, are highly accomplished... well, maybe when they speak I will at least try to listen to them, right?
I understand... however, I am left curious about the issue of the mediator's moral responsibility. It is a topic I find interesting. Let's say that a person (without any particular reference) assumes the role of a mediator, even just by virtue of speaking about a piece or an author they like or find interesting: in what terms are they morally responsible for their discourse? Keeping in mind also that in a "forum" type context users are, in principle, all equal, and authority can only come—I believe—from arguments?
I believe that everyone is always responsible for what they say. One becomes morally (or ethically, depending on what you imply by the terms) responsible when their discourse is addressed to a community and contains any kind of value, all the more so if it is "educational". Then there is a wide crown of specifications and exceptions surrounding it... but the sense, in my opinion, is roughly that.
The very fact that someone notices or does not notice for themselves that they have a moral responsibility is highly indicative.
I believe that everyone is always responsible for what they say. One becomes morally (or ethically, depending on what you imply with the terms) responsible when their discourse is addressed to a community and contains any kind of value, all the more so if it is "educational".
This was clear to me, and obviously I agree! I was interested in knowing what you mean by "morally responsible" in our context. From my point of view, it is about talking about an important subject (which can be composition in general, or the composition of recent years in particular) putting all one's skills into play, without pretending to lecture anyone, but hoping (perhaps!) to create a minimum amount of interest in someone who knows little or nothing about this subject. But perhaps you mean something different...
This was clear to me, and obviously I agree! I was interested in knowing what you mean by "morally responsible" in our context. From my point of view, it is about talking about an important subject (which can be composition in general, or the composition of recent years in particular) putting all one's skills into play, without pretending to lecture anyone, but hoping (perhaps!) to create a minimum of interest in someone who knows little or nothing about this subject. But perhaps you mean something different...
This, as has already been noted, is a context like any other.
If you intend to ask me whether I think it is right or wrong for a topic like this to exist, then I can answer that I find it right and positive in itself. Which obviously does not exempt one from taking on one's own responsibilities. If instead you intend to ask me for a judgment on the actual "mediators" (that is, those who reach a wider audience), then I would have to answer you on a case-by-case basis, but I certainly know some who are execrable...
Let's do this: broader in what sense and at what level? Then the math can be done quickly.
broader than a forum, which doesn't seem to me to have a very broad audience. At any level and of any type, not just musical. I mean, aren't the actual media "mediators" (and here perhaps you've already done the math)? Or publishers? Journalists? Critics? etc. etc.
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As I imagined Bianca, the forum has 3,000 members; at the last concert (on the subject) where MicaMahler was there were 15 spectators... we are already more people here talking about it (directly) and listening... for better or worse.
Italian publishing doesn't exist, journalists deal with other things, you know Allevi?... the critics... what critics? I'm serious, what do you include in Etc.?
I wonder how many there were at the last Big Brother...
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Shark wrote:
As I imagined, Bianca, the forum has 3,000 members; at the last concert (on the subject) where MicaMahler was there were 15 spectators... we are already more people here talking about it (directly) and listening... for better or worse.
Italian publishing does not exist, journalists occupy themselves with other things, you know Allevi?... the critics... which critics? I'm serious, what do you include in Etc.?
One of the advantages of not having location problems, even if the music must then be heard live...
