Beethovenians !!!???...

Dear Armando... thank you!

i have just seen the page you created, with the photo montage and your comments. Engaging and memorable!

x Alessandro . . . I liked it very much. If you can, I recommend going back there calmly since you are from Milan. I will do so too, as I saw it better on Friday: when I went to those parts to book a table at the restaurant and, since I was already there and the entrance is free, I took a look in the museum.

There is a large space dedicated to Schroeder (could it be otherwise!?) and also Disney comics, and others (in English) with a non-comic intent but aimed at telling episodes of Beethoven's life like an action novel (very well drawn). Regarding the latter, I wouldn't even be able to tell you the authors. And I am sorry. For this reason too, I want to go back: to know the names of those who did those beautiful works. Finally, it must be said that, in addition to pre-existing comics, the exhibition also displays works created with various techniques by different authors specifically for this event.

bye

I've just returned from Milan only this evening.

Three unforgettable days for me, essentially for three reasons: I met people who were more than just delightful. I saw the Beethoven comic exhibition and I saw the Chagall exhibition and, for the first time in my life, I entered the "temple of opera": La Scala, not for a concert but to visit the beautiful exhibition inside and to peek in a little while the rehearsals for "Die Soldaten" were beginning.

Too many emotions... I would say!

See you all soon!

Daniele

Long live Die Soldaten, just to stir the pot a little... :-p

How beautiful!! It's a shame I wasn't there. If there are opportunities in the summer when I have my holidays, I won't miss it!

anyway, I admit I arrived at the meeting a bit intimidated. In the theater, you get used to dealing with a thousand different types of people, and I can't say I am shy by nature (...), but sitting around a table with strangers is always an adventure. Well, this was a beautiful adventure :-) and you all more or less surprised me (everyone except one).

The short amount of time gave me limited thoughts, but I will tell them to you anyway:

i expected Daniele to be the most talkative, the most combative, and instead I found a reserved person, with shy smiles, who in the end gave me a big fatherly hug that almost moved me to tears. And as a mischievous observer, I must say that the family picture intrigued me like crazy: your wife seems very nice, your son is a shy one just like you, and I would die to meet your other son, who, listen to this, loves Rap

Armando intimidated me to death. Here on the forum we cross paths rarely, because I am not precisely a Beethoven fanatic and I am not close to philology at all. Perhaps I expected a library mouse, or a zealous old fogey, and instead I found myself talking about the possibility of opening and moderating a "hot" section of the site—ah, and I love the Genoese accent like crazy. If it weren't for the fact that I am already romantically involved...

Frank is Frank. Once I imagined him as moderate, but we discovered that he isn't. Briefly: the most chill person ever, younger than me, so much so that he came on a motorcycle.

Alessandro, as if we had known each other for years. You should show up on the forum more often.

The one who did not surprise me was Luca. You are better than I imagined, but I already had great expectations. Your eyes smiled from beginning to end, regardless of the normal embarrassment of the first few minutes of a convention of unknown patrons. You almost made me want to go cycling (almost).

Anyway, I'm going now because it's late.

But I celebrated my thousandth message with you

thallo wrote:

I expected Daniele to be the most talkative, the most combative, but I found a reserved person, with shy smiles, who in the end gave me a big fatherly hug that almost moved me to tears. And as a mischievous observer, I must say that the family picture intrigued me like crazy: your wife seems very nice, your son is a shy one just like you, and I would die to meet your other son, who—listen to this—loves Rap

...and in fact it is so, my dear Claudio. Since it is a point that even Armando caught by writing about it on his site, I can only confirm: I am not a chatterbox. In reality, I prefer listening more than talking. However, I become a chatterbox when I am focused on topics that are sensitive to me and that provoke an emotional reaction, whether positive or negative.
It is true I am a shy one—just like my son—and this makes me hold back the thousand and one curiosities I have towards all of you, which in a first meeting are difficult to blurt out, but when we meet again, perhaps they will be more spontaneous.

As for my other son, it will be hard to get to know him at this stage, because he is on a collision course with me on everything and thus, saying we are like cat and dog is an understatement.

Finally, it is also true that my hug was fatherly. In reality, I have always felt this type of sentiment for you since the Edumus days, and here it has strengthened even further... but don't ask me why: I don't know. Of course, the age difference can partly justify this feeling of mine... but only in part. I only know that it is so, or rather: so it seems to you (to you all).

dear Claudio . . . I bet that sooner or later it will happen: the bike will become your means of . . transport? fun? whatever you want.

When it happens, in a few months you will realize how nonsensical the saying "You wanted the bike?.. Pedal!" is (if actually referring to the bike)

NO! It would be more correct to say "You wanted the bike?.. Remember to rest". The bike is addictive

I hope to have further . . .

Speaking of bikes, today I was a little closer to you: I went to Lodi, and to return I did the Lodi-Dovera-Pandino-Rivolta. Always beautiful... With the sun at my back and the mountains in front.

With Frank at the table, a discussion had arisen about the bike and the danger of the road (the state roads) which I would like to pick up again calmly in 'Thoughts and words in freedom'

bye

thallo wrote:

Armando intimidated me to death. We rarely cross paths here on the forum, because I am not precisely a Beethoven fanatic and I am not close to philology at all. Perhaps I was expecting a library mouse, or a zealous old fogey, and I found myself talking about the possibility of opening and moderating a "hot" section of the site, ah, and I love that Genoese accent like crazy. If it weren't for the fact that I am already romantically involved...

Ahahahha and then you saw that I'm not a mouse but a big rat! I never managed to have a doctoral aura like Luigi! I just can't! My own fault. Normally at parties they find me passed out on the ceiling, but we will delve into this during our next outing: perhaps challenging the "Romans" to another meeting of Beethovenians in libation.
As for the "hot" section.... and let's make the site skyrocket from 200 daily visits to 2000 !!!

Don't fall into temptation! sports are bad, very bad! we will wait for Luca at the finish line, with a nice drink!

And besides, it is known.... Cancers and Scorpios get along!

Hello everyone... even though I don't participate actively like you do (and I thank you for being here and bringing life to this forum), it was a great pleasure to meet you and put faces to all of you.

Thank you and see you soon.

Luigi

PS I don't think I have a doctoral aura as Armando says... perhaps not knowing you, I remained a bit reserved.

No no, dear Luigi!

I expressed myself hastily, as always. You have a great talent that you don't realize much and that I (unfortunately) do not have.

Let me explain better: You have the great ability to carry yourself well with us (and this is not actually difficult), but above all, you manage to be at ease with great scholars and directors of the various BH; and this, your undoubted quality, is beyond my capabilities.

It is a merit that in any case must be recognized in you and is not something everyone possesses.

I take this opportunity to make a public and indecent proposal: who knows if we can't organize an outing right in Bonn....

A hug to everyone and especially to Luigi

thallo wrote:

Frank is Frank. Once I imagined him as moderate, but we discovered that he isn't. Briefly: the most chill person of all, younger than me

..so young that I've been KO for a week ... practically a wreck ... ahahaha

OrlandiArmando wrote:

Ahahahha and then you saw that I am not a mouse but a big rat! I never managed to have a doctoral aura like Luigi! I just can't! My own flaw. Normally at parties they find me passed out on the ceiling, but we will delve deeper into this during the next outing: perhaps by challenging the "Romans" to a drinking bout at another meeting of Beethovenians.

As for the "hot" section.... and let's make the site jump from 200 daily visits to 2000 !!!

Don't fall into temptation! sport is bad, very bad! we will wait for Luca at the finish line, with a nice drink!

And then it's known.... cancers and scorpions get along!

..among the many things let's not forget the arrival and "analysis of problems" of an "inverted pendulum", by the way Armando, I dedicated this photo to you

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/4385-grande-orologio-ad-organo-germania-foresta-nera-xviii-secolo/

danielescarpetti wrote:

My other son, at this stage it will be hard to get to know him, because with me he is on a collision course regarding everything and therefore, saying that we are like cat and dog is an understatement.

... if it can help, tell him that even among the old fogies there is someone who likes rap

Jokes aside, I think his behavior may be linked to his adolescent age; I really hope for your sake that this period passes quickly and that you can find a healthy and lasting relationship with him... for a relaxed and serene family climate.

I hope so too, my dear Frank. My greatest fear is always making a mistake and, with him in particular.

I always tell myself that I should be more accommodating, more tolerant... but I can't do it! When I see and hear certain things, I snap and get angry, probably excessively.

But the discussion would be very long, complex, and boring.

A to me, it seems that many of today's youngest people are very empty, apathetic, and uninterested in everything and... this is not good!

Then, last but not least, an appalling rudeness reigns supreme that transcends all present generations and falls exponentially on the youngest and most vulnerable part of our society.... No, I don't like it, I don't like it at all, and I am seriously worried.

I am reading a book by the author of Harry Potter, J.K. Rowling, "The Casual Vacancy". It talks a lot about the conflictual relationship between adolescents and parents; there are very interesting things.

You know my boyfriend works in child protection; at my house, the perception of what a "difficult kid" is is a bit distorted—if there aren't at least rapes or drug dealing, then everything is fine—but it makes you put things into perspective. In general, I think you have written very harsh things. If I were your son and read your message, I would feel bad being considered empty, apathetic, and uninterested in everything... but we are all good at giving advice from the outside :-) For me, the one and only important thing in human relationships is: affection. Your son's choices are your son's choices; what you should give is only support, not content. You are not his professor, you are his father.

I agree with you: affection and love are the most important things.

In reality, in writing I was making a general statement and was not referring so much or only to my son.

I have well in mind what the Greek chorus Claudio said: the faults of the fathers will fall upon the children. I am perfectly aware that all the faults of the previous generation are falling upon the youngest current generation: my faults.

I am also perfectly aware that there is nothing worse than the worst.

I am a dad - and not a father that I dislike - and precisely because I love my children particularly much... I am very worried, and when one is worried, one probably makes even more mistakes.

thallo wrote:

Your son's choices are your son's choices; what you should give is only support, not content. You are not his professor, you are his father.

Dear Claudio,

On this matter, I am very perplexed. And I tell you this:

1) speaking from personal experience: as you know, I am a father just like Daniele.

2) perplexed in the true sense of the word: not like when one writes "this statement leaves me perplexed" where what is implied is "I think you are wrong"

what you say is right: as a father, I should give support. This is indisputable.

But also to give, in good faith and with kindness, content. If I tell my son "it is good to help those in difficulty" or "it is good not to make fun of those who are struggling" (which nowadays would already be an achievement)... aren't these things "content"!? I say yes. And unfortunately, there are many people around, of all ages, who have never received this "content."

Of course, if I tell my daughter "it is good to love Beethoven's music," or "it is good to cheer for this football team," these too are "content." And how do we handle that?.... It is a matter of discerning, as parents, what I consider essential and what I do not.

And from what one sees around, there are many parents who have never even considered this discernment. In fact: they have considered it and found things to be essential that, in my opinion, are debatable, and vice versa.

Returning to my own case... I find it very 'human', for any parent, to propose to one's child what they consider to be the beautiful things in life (music, food, ...) ... it is a matter of normally sharing with those you love what beautiful things you too, in turn, have received.

Of course: without imposition.

And then, it is also 'human' to feel bad when you see that 'it's just not happening' and there is no harmony . . . but one must move beyond that. And not let this "feeling bad" poison a relationship.

Since they were very brief, I did not continue the discussion with Daniele precisely because of this aspect:

thallo wrote:

... but we are all good at giving advice from the outside :-)

Ideas, points for reflection, etc. I would have... but I don't feel up to intervening.

A reflection on fear can be made, but I would refer you to a snippet of a film that probably generally has little to offer but which "poetically" touches upon the theme of fear.

In fact, it can even be an advantage if used; it must be a fire that allows us to raise our level of attention, to be focused, to keep the objective in sight, and not a fire that burns us, that blocks us unto paralysis; this depends a lot on us and on how we know how to govern our emotions.

But I would like to stop here.

A thought occurred to me regarding the different perspective that a father (as well as a mother) might have compared to a child, assuming that given the age difference, presumed experience, and a certain level of confidence (also presumed or at least not guaranteed—without taking for granted that this last one is asked solely by the parent, as awareness is acquired over time, but it's not impossible for an adolescent to ask certain questions), the question "am I doing something wrong" is almost exclusively the prerogative of the parent; and this means that the latter continues to grow (when asking certain questions) alongside the child and does not have the presumption of feeling like they have already "arrived" or, even worse, being "superior" to the one who depends (in part) also emotionally on them.

If there weren't a bit of "mess" ... perhaps a delicious opportunity

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/5533-domenica-3-gennaio-2016-musei-gratis-per-tutti/