Contemporary Music and modernity. Abandonment or choice?
Poteva dire di tutto...tranne questa: "Schönberg" & "assenza di forma"...mi sembra proprio una putta...nata
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Contemporary Music and modernity. Abandonment or choice?
Poteva dire di tutto...tranne questa: "Schönberg" & "assenza di forma"...mi sembra proprio una putta...nata
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Yes, but in defense of Maresca, he speaks of a "recognizable formal structure"... in my opinion, he is emphasizing the recognizability of the form, i.e., the difficulty of grasping phrases, melodic interludes, any repetitions, etc., in a harmonically so complex language where tensions are so frequent that they cancel each other out. I don't think he means that the composition lacks a formal structure. Incidentally, I like op. 11... I start to struggle when the rhythmic phrasing, which I find substantially beautiful and understandable here, becomes a parameter to be serialized and is so fragmented that I lose the pleasure of listening...
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The fact is that the form is perfectly recognizable... probably one struggles to follow the melody
Listening to the variations opus 31 ... you can tell from a mile away that they are variations. Why? Because the form is crystal clear... then if someone wants to hum the series, its movements and transpositions, okay... let's talk about it.
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haha true... but if I think about the average listener, I cannot entirely blame the author of the article.
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So that's a different matter and the form doesn't have anything to do with it, let alone Schoenberg
If the discussion wants to shift toward melody ...
The part where Schumann said
54. "Melody" is the battle cry of amateurs; and it is true that what is entirely devoid of melody is not music. You must, however, properly understand the meaning they give to this word; for amateurs, it only applies to melodies with a pleasant rhythm that is easy to remember. But there are others of a very different kind; if you open the works of Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven, you will find that their melodies present themselves in a thousand varied ways, and I believe you will soon grow weary of the paltry rhythmic forms of melodies in modern Italian works.
As far as I know, Bach doesn't work that way
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mmm... I don't follow you, I'm leaving