21st Century Listening

Contemporary Music and modernity. Abandonment or choice?

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Reply 2 by Crisantemi

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Yes, but in defense of Maresca, he speaks of a "recognizable formal structure"... in my opinion, he is emphasizing the recognizability of the form, i.e., the difficulty of grasping phrases, melodic interludes, any repetitions, etc., in a harmonically so complex language where tensions are so frequent that they cancel each other out. I don't think he means that the composition lacks a formal structure. Incidentally, I like op. 11... I start to struggle when the rhythmic phrasing, which I find substantially beautiful and understandable here, becomes a parameter to be serialized and is so fragmented that I lose the pleasure of listening...

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Reply 3 by Natan

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The fact is that the form is perfectly recognizable... probably one struggles to follow the melody

Listening to the variations opus 31 ... you can tell from a mile away that they are variations. Why? Because the form is crystal clear... then if someone wants to hum the series, its movements and transpositions, okay... let's talk about it.

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Reply 4 by Crisantemi

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haha true... but if I think about the average listener, I cannot entirely blame the author of the article.

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Reply 5 by Natan

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So that's a different matter and the form doesn't have anything to do with it, let alone Schoenberg

If the discussion wants to shift toward melody ...

www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/4576-il-non-intuire-il-valore-insostituibile-della-melodia-nel-concetto-di-musica

The part where Schumann said

54. "Melody" is the battle cry of amateurs; and it is true that what is entirely devoid of melody is not music. You must, however, properly understand the meaning they give to this word; for amateurs, it only applies to melodies with a pleasant rhythm that is easy to remember. But there are others of a very different kind; if you open the works of Bach, Mozart, or Beethoven, you will find that their melodies present themselves in a thousand varied ways, and I believe you will soon grow weary of the paltry rhythmic forms of melodies in modern Italian works.

As far as I know, Bach doesn't work that way

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