Gustav Mahler - Quartet in A minor for piano and strings

Frank wrote:

Joy or depth? A naive question

They are equivalent. A blunt answer.

Upon request, I can expand... at the table.

On the forum, I would take a bit of twilight time (one or two)

LucaCavaliere wrote:

It's one and the same. A blunt answer.

 

Too "Western-intellectual" an answer. One can feel joy for very little, in relative terms.

RedScharlach wrote:

 and at the same time severe and highly selective.

Selection is the basis of every relationship, all human beings make selections. Therefore, it is not discriminatory to define a composer.

Here Videoclip, relationships are another of the great topics studied by Psychology. In discussions, there is always a risk of making a calculation without realizing it. I was writing to someone in another post that a person relates to another only to satisfy a need, a requirement (there are many levels of need). Even choosing whom to ask is a selection. Let's just say we are strange animals

RedScharlach wrote:

– in ascending order – quality of work, strength of idea, willpower.

I would add musicality, wouldn't I?

Videoclip wrote:

...does someone delude themselves into thinking they can read tone through a forum? Without knowing the interlocutor. Anyway, let's move on.

"someone" - "deludes themselves" - "anyway, let's move on"

I confirm the judgment on the tone.

The word late-romantic has a meaning; it is good practice to think (especially if you do not know the interlocutor) that perhaps it was used intentionally and not randomly.

Never asserted the contrary.

There are those who kill for a living and are as serene as a child. Therefore, the concept of profound disturbance is very personal; I would instead reflect on Frank's post. Sensitivity is certainly the subject.

Could you please clarify the connection between Mahler's profound inner disturbances and heinous acts such as rape and murder?

Thank you.

Have a good day.

Stimulated, I did a little research, this article is nice:

http://www.angolopsicologia.com/2015/03/chi-sono-le-persone-altamente-sensibili.html

Viola wrote:

You cannot be profound without having gone through "profound" disturbances.

Mahler's profound inner disturbances are an addition of today. One can just be profound.

Since you are curious, one can be disturbed by many things. I don't know, ideas about Ligeti for example? (just to name one)

I don't know guys, to me Bach seems profoundly deep... it doesn't seem to me that he had all these disturbances. He was in prison, he went blind, he had some children (one in particular, cursed) who were dissolute... in short, things of life.

Videoclip wrote:

Mahler's profound inner disturbances are a recent addition.

In the discussion, were we talking about Mahler or...?

One can simply be profound.

Authentic pain is capable of sometimes making even a phenomenally lighthearted man serious and strong, even if only for a short time; not only that, but due to true, sincere pain, even imbeciles have sometimes become intelligent, granted, even if only for a while.

(F.D.)

That being said, it is not my intention to weave a panegyric of suffering.

Since you are curious, one can be disturbed by many things.

Of course, I agree.

I don't know, ideas on Ligeti, for example? (just to name one)

I do not know Ligeti's biography and little of his works.

Frank wrote:

Response too "Western-cultured". One can feel joy for very little, in relative terms.

No no. Joy and depth are, on a human level, the same thing.

'Joy' not intended as a synonym for 'contentment' or 'happiness' caused by "very little" or by much-much.

'Joy' is a joyful lifestyle despite the storms, bad news, and messes of life.

This 'joy' is nothing other than the 'perfect joy' indicated by Saint Francis despite difficulties

http://www.assisiofm.it/allegati/225-Della%20vera%20e%20perfetta%20letizia.pdf

And it is this type of joy (lifestyle) that resonates in the finale of the Ninth

Whoever manages to live with this joyful style despite adversity reaches a certain 'depth' - can I say 'wisdom'? - as a person, even if they are not someone who engages in artistic or creative activities (personally, alas, I am far from it)

@ Viola!...

from what you wrote in the 'other topic', I thought it was worse!

PS "response too Western"... and what kind of response could I have given!?.. Western I am.