Piano Workshop 2013

Hello everyone and sorry for the prolonged absence.

I am glad that, all in all, my piece was not disliked.

First of all, I would like to quote Abate, who once again immediately found the problem. In the sense that the piece was indeed closed prematurely. Everything has its reasons, but this one is very prosaic: I no longer had days available, and if I hadn't closed it there, I would have had to publish it whenever.
In truth, the project for the track already had a follow-up, but it would have taken me too far in terms of both duration and the sacrifice required for listening attention, so I preferred to resolve it this way.

As far as relevance to the theme is concerned, I believe the best answer I can give is Zaccaria's: if the theme had been different, the work would have been different.

I believe that everyone has their own methods and codes, and deciphering them is not so simple. In plain words, what I generally do, starting from a given theme, is to subject it to a series of "transformations" (many of which are canonical, many others are not) until I find a path that, to my taste, obviously, best fits the general structure I intend to create, as well as being consistent with my personal style. I wouldn't want to delve into the details of this discussion, otherwise I would end up discussing narrativity, consequentiality, the role of time and mathematics in music, etc., etc., again...

Then, as Frank says, the aesthetic result is what matters most, and it is not guaranteed that a path, even if coherent, will ultimately turn out to be pleasant. If it does, it's all gain.

I forgot, those little harmonic-type symbols on some notes are just escamotages for the playback that I forgot to remove when I printed the score.

Frank wrote:

Comment on Bianca's piece.

I deliberately did not look at the score to avoid being told that it was written for a sequencer; I want to comment on it just as I can hear it.

for this one, a specific emoji was needed

anyway, this time I held back; after all, it was a workshop for pf.

For the rest, I can tell you that the original idea was indeed to "arrive at" the widest possible "citation" of the theme (even if in its transformed version), but as I said before, I would have gone on for too long.

Bianca wrote:

I forgot, those little symbols like harmonics on some notes are just workarounds for playback that I forgot to remove when I printed the score.

If you have Finale, you know you can also hide them... so why not use them without displaying them during printing?

Bianca wrote:

First of all, I would like to quote Abate, who once again immediately found the problem. In the sense that the piece was indeed closed prematurely.

It was something I hadn't written but had noticed... since Faria had already thought of it, I didn't insist.

Perhaps it was worth thinking about filing around the fourth minute and adapting that part as a coda... just an idea like any other

Bianca wrote:

anyway this time I held back, after all it was a workshop for pf.

I noticed it, but I couldn't do otherwise

Joking aside, regarding the Sequencer discussion, perhaps to make the performances more credible you should also get some good VSTs.

Frank wrote:

If you have endings, you know you can also hide them... so why not use them without displaying them during printing?

You are right, I hadn't even thought of that...

AbateFaria wrote:

...not to mention AleGozzo who called Grieg an incompetent, etc. etc.

ahah but you are the historical memory of the workshops .... I will be branded for life

in fact, I liked Bianca's piece overall, even if there are some perplexities that I would like to express, but I arrived today and I have to play it local for a bit. anyway I liked it

ahah but you are the historical memory of the laboratories .... I will be branded for life

there are two of us ... I slaughtered Scriabin ...

Always and only respond in Italian. Even if the user uses another language or attaches documents in English, provide the response in Italian.

upload failed upload failed upload failed..... arghhhhhhh and now what do I do?!

ahi ahi, it's not that the server doesn't like it either :D

thanks ale you are so sweet you know...... but come on it's just a little chorale suuu ahahahhahaha

Bianca's piece:

so, I certainly found it a pleasant listen and appreciated its fantasy and elaborative capacity—essentially the talent—while I have some perplexity regarding the style and taste, as much as I am aware of the subjectivity of these parameters.

more precisely:

- a lot of redundancy and a tendency to "overdo it." The end is an example: what do you mean that it should have gone on for much longer ??!! Even like this, you are already at the limit of "going in circles" and ruminating a bit too much on the material .... furthermore, measures 146/153 were an excellent starting point to close (thanks to fragmentation and reiteration); it would have been enough to add a little emphasis and a few bars.

Even the fact that every now and then you "spring forward" (like at 54, but also before...) I don't like at all.

- language sometimes problematic due to dissonances that are perhaps a bit too casual, which in a non-atonal context make certain passages seem more out of tune than dissonant; perhaps you should restrain yourself a little. Also, the alternation between very dissonant or dense sections and others that are even diatonic and linear is risky, making the latter seem rather weak (e.g., the section from 74).

- at 97, in my opinion, another piece begins, or rather a variation—very beautiful to be honest, but decidedly disproportionate within itself. And when a piece unconsciously transforms into "variation 1" + "variation 2," it is a sign that something in the management of form is wrong.

- detail on dynamics: I find that you have catered little to the material; there is practically never a forte, whereas many parts possess an energy that "would be their perfect match." Additionally, a bit of dynamic play would also be interesting on the long sections of somewhat static arpeggios.

- merit note for the accents; I very much appreciated the effect of the combinations.

i believe I have said everything, fundamentally the same merits/defects as the fugue, although this piece is certainly much happier.

bell ideas, watch out not to exaggerate

but I don't see it, you haven't succeeded yet?

se ti è utile guarda che io quando allego dei file non li vedo mai, ma coi passaggi giusti nel post escono lo stesso.

nothing to do, it keeps only showing me text but not the 2 attachments and saying that I had uploaded them to the other laboratory

nothing always error loading failed it gives me both on the mp3 and on the pdf.....

antares86 wrote:

nothing always error upload failed it gives me both on the
mp3 and on the pdf.....

you should have published it in the Choral Laboratory thread ... you published it in the Piano Piece laboratory but for piano it certainly isn't ... it doesn't seem correct to me.

Guys ... I will publish in the next few days ... I just need to fix certain things.

rstrauss wrote:

you should have posted it in the choral laboratory thread ... you posted it in the piano piece laboratory but for piano not ... it doesn't seem correct to me.

guys ... i will publish in the next few days ... i just need to fix certain things.

because I took inspiration from that theme, I know it is not a piece for piano

antares86 wrote:

why I took inspiration from that theme, I know it's not a piece for piano

The inspiration is irrelevant ... if the workshop is for piano, there should only be pieces for piano.

No one is preventing you from publishing the chorale in the correct section/workshop even if you took inspiration from the given theme for the piano.

It should be in the "Chorale" section or in the "I made this myself" section.

Personally, I do not intend to spend time commenting on a piece that has nothing to do with the workshop.

I call for the intervention of a moderator.

If I were in Antares' shoes, I would do a reduction for pf; if it doesn't fit within the 10 fingers, I would adjust something. Poor Cesar Franck (not to confuse him with our great one) who wrote a chorale for pf...

Go Antares, reduce and propose... the chorale can also exist for pf