Types Of Replacement

Of course,

given however the vastness of the subject, and sometimes its complexity, it would be appropriate to understand your level of knowledge of harmony.

Have you already studied?

perhaps we could open a discussion specifically on this topic, or anyway on harmony in general....

I am available to delve deeper into the subject if you wish,

Bye

Feliciano

A couple could be:

- tritone substitution

- substitution of polyvalent chords such as diminished seventh or augmented fifth chords

Feliciano wrote:

maybe we could open a discussion specifically on this topic, or anyway on harmony in general....

I am available to delve deeper into the subject if you want,

It might interest me, besides the two basic cases I proposed to Bit, what would you see... then we will go into more detail.

I agree with Feliciano on the vastness and complexity of the subject.

It might be useful to find a common ground to start from; I would propose something like this:

start with tonality; here, all in all, traditional harmony and jazz harmony follow, broadly speaking, the same principles (I would already postpone the explanation of the differences to later).

Very generally, I would define "substitutions" as all those chords that do not belong to the piece's underlying key and yet do not involve a modulation.

It is a very generic definition, but it already narrows down the "field of research" a bit.

Jazz interests me too, but when I read the Real Book I always put the tonic in the bass and it's a bit frustrating. Any advice?

I agree with Feliciano on the vastness and complexity of the subject.

It might be useful to find a common ground to start from; I would propose something like this:

start with tonality; here, all in all, traditional harmony and jazz harmony follow, broadly speaking, the same principles (I would leave the explanation of the differences for later).

In general, I would define "substitutions" as all those chords that do not belong to the home key yet do not involve a modulation.

It is a very generic definition, but it already narrows down the "field of research" a little.

I trust you, I am new to Jazz and I hope you will lead me by the hand to understand at least 2 basic things... I don't have great ambitions, but regarding diminished seventh chords which are quadrivalent, I can manage.

Already on augmented chords (triads?) a bit less, the tritone one is always mentioned ... but how to become agile?

Thank you, I am happy to finally read DrJellyfish as well, who has now become a legend...

Bit wrote:

ia on augmented chords (triads?) a little bit less

So, I think it refers to triads and in particular to chords with an augmented fifth, such as C#5 which is essentially built on the notes do mi sol#.

DrJellyfish wrote:

Very generally, I would define "substitutions" as all those chords that do not belong to the key of the piece and yet do not involve a modulation.

Do you mean secondary dominants?

Egidio wrote:

Do you mean secondary dominants?

also. because why not? :-) there are others too.

I invoke the appearance of Feliciano

At this point, I would repeat a question already heard: how are we doing with harmony? (anyway, everything can be remedied) 'noche

It seems like a very interesting topic to me, Doc, you go ahead 😉

Thanks to everyone, I chew on classical harmony... let me know what else is needed 😃

DrJellyfish wrote:

also. why not? :-) there are others too.

Here, the concept of secondary dominant is clear to me... and the "there are others too" which puts me in difficulty and led me to open this topic

We could distinguish three types of substitutions:

Secondary dominants

Tritone substitution

Modal interchange

I am booking mainly for "Modal Interchange", but also for the other 2 😃

I'll open a very brief parenthesis: I don't write these things to act like a talking cricket, it's just that I believe it is beautiful for everyone to share their own knowledge

and besides, for me it is an excellent teaching exercise and forces me to study and keep up to date. Plus, I have fun ;-)

Alright doc, use me as your guinea pig 😉

From this moment on I know 0 about Jazz (before I knew 1/1000 😃)... what should I do?

Excuse me, but for those who don't know a blessed bit of Jazz (I'll include myself since I have only played classical repertoire), why don't you start from the basics? Otherwise, you are just talking among yourselves...