What is the purpose of music (today)?

LucaCavaliere wrote:

"Creating the right "climate" for: working, playing sports, flirting, praying, having sex, studying, concentrating....."

Oh mein Gott!

"A musical work is like a defenseless person who lets themselves be used for anything by those who use it for their purposes while listening to it.

I, on the contrary, often have the feeling that it is the music that dominates me.
Dazzled by its spells, I feel defenseless and bend to its will.

LucaCavaliere wrote:

Here: I - as a musician-listener - think a bit like this:

when I say that "I adore that composer" it is a bit like saying that I am in tune with their thoughts on life

(and that, naturally, it grips me to death )

As a listener alone, I can only confirm.

If it were not so, I could not explain why, within the scope of music and after having listened to and loved so much of every era and every genre, the main soundtrack remains always: Beethoven and Bach.

Of course, also because they are two immense composers.

But there is something more intimate, more personal that ensures they have always been in my mind and in my body: Beethoven and Bach succeed in reconciling my dualism, in summarizing it: in short, that movement that turns dualism into monism.

Thus, music through Bach and Beethoven serves me to reconcile Western philosophy and Eastern philosophy.

you know what? I didn't get any more notifications and I was convinced that the discussion had stopped.

No Sicily, no connection interruption.

But at this point I wouldn't know what to say :-) you have already imagined that Viola's style was... a bit far from mine ahahah it has been a while since I no longer love metaphysical discussions related to music. For me, the ineffability of the metaphysical side of music has a practical, Wittgensteinian value: whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Some (some) discussions that do not produce knowledge offend me. Unless they are emotional discussions, of sharing, spoken embraces. I like those. And they amuse me ;-)

thallo wrote:

you know what? I didn't get any more notifications and I was convinced that the discussion had stopped.

No Sicily, no connection interruption.

But at this point I wouldn't know what to say :-) you have already imagined that Viola's style was... a bit far from mine ahahah it has been a while since I have loved metaphysical discussions related to music. For me, the ineffability of the metaphysical side of music has a practical, Wittgensteinian value: whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Some (some) discussions that do not produce knowledge offend me. Unless they are emotional discussions, of sharing, spoken embraces. I like those. And they amuse me ;-)

Exactly...

I hadn't even had time to enjoy the cordial atmosphere of this forum before the mockery arrived. :-)

I respect your opinion, it's a pity about the sarcastic tone that disqualifies it.

I did not understand (among other things) reading one of your posts in this discussion, why it would be preferable to sing badly in the shower rather than not sing at all.

I am certain anyway that I have much to learn (also) from you.

Have a good evening.

Viola wrote:

There it is, exactly...

I haven't even had time to enjoy the cordial atmosphere of this forum before the mockery arrives. :-)

I respect your opinion; it's a pity about the sarcastic tone that disqualifies it.

I didn't understand (among other things) while reading one of your posts in this discussion, why it would be preferable to sing badly in the shower rather than not singing at all.

I am certain, however, that I have much to learn (also) from you.

Have a good evening.

Did I ruin the cordial atmosphere? And for what reason should a sarcastic tone disqualify my opinion? Sarcasm is part of my opinion, or rather, it is part of the weapons of a dialectical clash in which my opinion is in favor of "fun". Anyone who knows me on this forum knows that it won't be long before I start using adolescent and jocular imagery.

Regarding singing badly in the shower: all vocal skills specifically related to singing are the result of practice. It is quite trivial to say, after all, all skills are the result of practice; the concept of skill is strictly connected to action. But some vocal skills are the result of complex practice that involves partly unconscious mechanisms of action and reaction. The most easily understandable example is provided by the mechanisms of intonation. To learn to sing in tune, one must practice, making many mistakes, and it is now quite well established how this learning exercise has modes similar to those of language learning. This is because singing shares physiological functions with language. When children are adequately stimulated from a sound-musical point of view during the early stages of language development, they will then experiment by instinct also from a sound-musical point of view, favoring those mechanisms of action and reaction that are at the base of vocal learning. This, in essence, is the way in which at age 12 some of us find ourselves magically in tune and others, alas, not. The problem with these skills is very widespread, at different levels, obviously. And it is common among singing teachers to reserve attention for these, let's say, playful or non-formalized approaches. Let's call them late babbling. Singing badly is very important for getting to know one's own voice well, for deepening it without the fear of doing something bad. Doing it in the shower is a good way to avoid embarrassment. But let it be clear, I have nothing against those who sing badly even outside the shower.

So, yes, singing badly serves a purpose; for every aria sung wonderfully well, there are years of squeaks and cracked notes. And philosophically speaking, it would be interesting to ask oneself if practice itself is music. I vote yes: it is done with musical intention (whoever sings while practicing strives, within the limits of their abilities, to carry forward aesthetic elements), it is listened to with musical intention (by teachers or a casual audience, who does not interact with that sound stimulus as if it were ambient noise, but rather listens to it to praise or criticize) and, often, even has a specific musical literature (the great black hole of musical philology: studies!).

Second, brief argument in favor

of out-of-tune singing while wet in the shower (do hendecasyllables disqualify?):

like sport, musical practice, specifically the practice of singing, decreases levels of cortisol, the stress hormone, favors the release of serotonin and endorphins, and has a series of other effects, not yet fully understood, on cardiac functions, muscular functions in general, the immune system, the respiratory system, and neurolinguistic functions. And all this, let it be clear, has nothing to do with singing WELL or singing BADLY, but with singing. Any doctor could advise you to sing as part of your health activities. And I imagine every doctor will advise you to wash... combining the two things could have surprising effects.

thallo wrote:

And I imagine that every doctor will advise you to wash... combining the two things could have surprising effects.

ahahahahahah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOUmSmCY7zo

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thallo wrote:

Did I ruin the cordial atmosphere? And for what reason should a sarcastic tone disqualify my opinion? Sarcasm is part of my opinion, or rather, it is part of the weapons of a dialectical clash in which my opinion is in favor of "fun". Those who know me on this forum know that (...)

Yes yes . . . I can confirm

Thank you for existiiiing!

@ Viola

Women are complicated to understand . . . but thallo, perhaps even more

ahahahahahah,

Go on, you are all too wonderful, and in this case especially the last four who chimed in.

Viola, I have known Claudio (Thallo) virtually for many years and personally for two, and I can assure you that he is a magnificent person.

I have been frequenting forums since 2004 and I know well that there can be people within them who we like more and others a little less. After all, forums are a virtual snapshot of the real world, aren't they?.

Claudio is a person from whom one can always learn a lot and if sometimes he is sarcastic - because: it's true, he is !!!! -, very often he is so with good reason and, anyway, his point of view is never impertinent or banal - on the contrary!!!! -. and, as you know well, that is not at all to be taken for granted in forums and even more so in life.

And all this is towards all of You, a virtual but also real hug from me.

LucaCavaliere wrote:

Yes yes . . . I can confirm

Thank you for existiiiing!

@ Viola

Women are complicated to understand . . . but Thallo, perhaps even more

Great Luca! You are a very funny little rascal.

Sex, smoke and classical music.

Oh yeah!

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(greetings to Daniele, to Thallo and to his little bear)

Before proceeding, I dedicate to all the participants of this topic (myself included) a new topic

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/6049-un-punto-di-vista-strambo/

@Bianca

Of course I understood your post, but I would also like to make people reflect on other aspects. The fact that you cited giants does not exempt us from considering that there is a fairly recent science called psychology that can certainly provide other and more recent points of view on the matter. It's a bit like forgetting that Copernicus came along to explain to us that it is the earth that revolves around the sun and not vice versa. Okay for those who expressed themselves before... but then?

That being said, when I opened the topic I had resigned myself to receiving an answer of the type: "an accessory", but evidently this is the wrong place to ask this question, there are another 6,000,000,000 people missing from the call... and we are the ones who write the least text.

Viola wrote:

To Daniele and Frank, whom I thank, I will respond at nightfall.

You're welcome, I will wait for the right twilight.

LucaCavaliere wrote:

[what is music for today?... Unfortunately I only see this topic ... today ]

Today is always after "yesterday", let alone after July 24, 2016

Frank wrote:

Before proceeding, I dedicate to all the participants of this topic (myself included) a new topic

http://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/6049-un-punto-di-vista-strambo/

Fantastic!

Frank wrote:

That being said, when I opened the topic I had resigned myself to receiving an answer like: "an accessory", but evidently this is the wrong place to ask this question, there are another 6,000,000,000 people missing ... and we are the ones who write the least text.

... the other 6,000,000,000 people Frank, you can find them:

here

then here

also here

even here

here and .............................................................................here!

now, I ask for forgiveness for the millions of places where every day things are done, performed, listened to, sung, enjoyed, felt deeply, and many other things with music that I cannot highlight, but it is obvious that for this entire immense multitude, music is not an accessory but an essential and vital aspect of their being bipeds with a thinking mind,

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Frank wrote:

Please, I will wait for the right twilight.

. . . it seems to be an arctic summer . . . . . .

LucaCavaliere wrote:

. . . it seems to be an
arctic summer . . . . .

:-D

It's true!

I still have to reply to Frank and Daniele, but I don't remember what the question was.

Forgive me.

It is hot.

Frank is a gentleman.

What class ...

jack wrote:

Ideas regarding the meaning of the title given by Billone?

The most banal answer that comes to mind: there are two instruments, but there is only one sound. But Viola's interpretation is more beautiful ...

@Daniele

Of course, dear Daniele, but I am increasingly convinced that the musical world is a rather "Strange" world; evidently, I must change my point of view.

@Viola

>Frank is a gentleman.
>Such class ...

Have you decided to make me blush?

@Red

I thought about it for a bit too; given Viola's poetic interpretation, I haven't found a valid alternative to your hypothesis.