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Arrangement Seminar/Discussion

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Reply 61 by Frank

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You're right, Doc; I have the bad habit of always looking for a solution that suits the most people and tries to be useful.

Maybe in this case there is no solution... I wouldn't know what to work on or for what purpose

Having a clear line and "little" work during the first experience, I think it could be helpful. So that at least we have a common starting point.

Alternatively, we can take the first bars of Laura's standard, already proposed by someone... in the early afternoon I will try to make a parallel proposal and we'll see where we stand

What do you say?

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Reply 62 by DrJellyfish

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Frank wrote:

Alternatively, we could take the first measures of Laura's standard, already suggested by someone... in the early afternoon I will try to make a parallel proposal and we can see where we stand

What do you say?

Yesss (I've put the wine in the fridge...))

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Reply 63 by Frank

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I would start from these 8 bars; the first thing I invite you to do (Doc or whoever feels like it) is to find a simple chord progression for the less experienced. Let's discuss, what do you propose?

Once this aspect is settled, I would give the go-ahead to the arrangement: whoever wants to can develop the proposed chord progression, otherwise they will use alternatives with the goal of eventually proposing all 8 bars complete and "arranged" ... hihi.

At least one version, what instrumentation do you suggest? Is pf [piano] or something else okay?

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Reply 64 by Bit

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What do you think?

Measure 1: B♦7

Measure 2: E7 b9

Measure 3: C-7 F7

Measure 4: Bb6

Measure 5: G-7

Measure 6: A∅7

Measure 7: F7 b13

Measure 8: Bb6

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Reply 66 by DrJellyfish

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What do you think, Frank?

Now I'm taking a crack at it too; of course, harmonizing this melody with a coherent chord sequence that is different from the original is hard...

This melody is quite restrictive.

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Reply 67 by Frank

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DrJellyfish wrote:

Now I'll try my hand at it too; of course, harmonizing this melody with a chord sequence that is coherent and different from the original is hard...

... I don't believe it. There is only one harmonization ... mmhm

I think I'll work on it in the evening; in the meantime, some of Bit's things are savable... we'll see.

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Reply 69 by DrJellyfish

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Bit wrote:

What do you think?

Now I'll take a look. Just glancing at it, the B∆ on an A natural sounds strange to me.

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Reply 70 by JazzMania

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Much simpler to start from the bottom and I would do something like this, to keep it simple:

Measure 8: F

Measure 7: Bb7 and C7 b9

Measure 6: C and Aø7

Measure 5: G-7

Measure 4: D- D7

On the first 3 I would think about them separately

Measure 1: Bb∆7 and G-9

Measure 2: C∆7#5

Measure 3: A9SUS and A4 SUS

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Reply 71 by Bit

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DrJellyfish wrote:

Now I'll take a look. Just glancing at it, the B∆ sounds strange to me on an A natural.

...sorry, it was a Bb∆7 as JazzMania also indicates

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Reply 72 by Bit

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I noticed that there are points of "contact" with JazzMania, so I'm not exactly off track...

However, hers seems richer to me. Perhaps the SUS can be simplified; indeed, the first part is quite tough.

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Reply 73 by DrJellyfish

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To me both seem interesting, of course creating a chord sequence with a precise harmonic sense here is not at all simple...

More specifically, in Bit's proposal there is a B∆ that clashes a bit with the minor seventh of the melody; the A in the second measure is a bit risky on the E7, but not too much; the C-7 F7 solution is interesting; the F#/Gb in measure 6 carries the chord halfway through the measure towards an Aø; finally, in the last measure there is still the perfect fourth on the dominant seventh chord which could collide with the major third, then the movement of the seventh resolving upwards is a bit difficult.

Reading JazzMania's harmonization with the symbols in this order, however, caused me a slight bipolar disturbance ;-)

I think starting from the end is a good idea; the sound of C∆#5 is curious; in fact, you could also have used C7 and resolved cheerfully to F∆, even if it might be more predictable;

some passages came out similar to me as well; I like the idea of the D-7 / D7; measure 6 is a bit unsettling; the thing that doesn't convince me much, however, is the ending: these two altered ninths resolving on the tonic, in my opinion, would be more suitable for a descending movement (like Eb, Db, C).

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Reply 75 by Bit

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DrJellyfish wrote:

More specifically, in that proposal from Bit there is a B∆ that clashes a bit with the minor seventh of the melody

I have already pointed out that the first chord was Bb∆7... I had forgotten a "b"

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