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Reply 21 by Zazza

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LucaCavaliere wrote:

You your

(you know which one. I trust you)...

I didn't really explain myself. I don't see any battle at all. Schnittke's Kontakte is not an 'accessible opera to an ordinary person; there are professionals who, despite having thirty years of experience in the sector, don't understand a damn thing... as one can only imagine that someone accustomed to a disconcerting simplicity (to say nothing of banality) can only merely approach a monument like that. I am used to channeling energy towards achievable goals, not towards impossible missions....

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Reply 22 by LucaCavaliere

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Zazza wrote:

I am used to channeling energy towards achievable goals, not towards impossible missions....

Right. You are absolutely right about what you say: "achievable goals".

At the current state of things, it seems to me that if Vivaldi's Four Seasons or the Pastoral Symphony managed to make an impression - and stay there! - on a teenager, it would already be a very great thing. No?...

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Reply 23 by antares86

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perhaps more than an entire symphony.... if I really had to attempt the unattemptable, I would try with a baroque concerto that isn't too long....

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Reply 24 by Zazza

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LucaCavaliere wrote:

Right. Exactly right, what you are saying: "achievable goals."

At the current state of things, it seems to me that if Vivaldi's Four Seasons or the Pastoral Symphony managed to make an impression - and stay there! - on an adolescent, it would already be a very great thing. No?...

...do you know that from here the step between saying Vivaldi is culture ...and Stockhausen is not ... is very short?

I say that it is already retreating, if the goal is to create culture... there cannot be Serie A culture and Serie B culture. Then, to tell you everything, a very high cultural level is required for certain works... hence the race to the bottom all the way to Gigi d'Alessio...

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Reply 25 by Zazza

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I am reporting a part of an intervention cited by Xenakis, taken from another topic

But why on earth must we "bring music to everyone"? What is this stupid contemporary obsession with trivializing everything, falsifying everything, transforming everything into fast food or junk food? Why this sacred terror of COMPLEXITY? Complexity is also depth, penetration, a journey into otherwise unexplored places, competence (a word that interests no one today). Oh no, "art is for everyone," what matters is "what it transmits to me"... but who said that?

The reality is this: art is not for everyone

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Reply 26 by Thesimon

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@solminore

I conducted this test on Facebook precisely because I have very few people involved in the field. Out of about 450 contacts, 15 are professionals. Among other things, I noticed, I believe intentionally, that the professionals abstained—with rare exceptions—from voting for either one or the other, perhaps understanding the purpose of the test and not wanting to bias it.

Coming to the discussions you have addressed so far, I believe it is true that art is not for everyone, just as I believe chocolate is not for everyone (there will surely be a sample of people who do not like chocolate); the problem is that people should be given a taste and made aware of the various types of chocolate before being able to say "chocolate is disgusting." That art is not for everyone is fine with me, but don't you think that the media doesn't even give the user the chance to choose whether this art might please them or not? Let me explain better... To do, let's say generically, culture can be risky for those who must pull the puppet strings, because if the puppet had the intelligence and the ability to choose based on what it had studied, it would probably ask why it is being moved by an idiot. Therefore, the decision not to promote culture seems to me to be a calculated one. It feels like returning to the "flying donkey" tale told to children... In fact, I believe that a people is better controlled if not educated because, faced with a leading question from a good political orator, the ignorant population (in the strict sense of the Latin term ignorans-ignorantis, "that which does not know") is more likely to fall into the trap. Besides, lately, I have been focusing on finding the simplest way to demonstrate the most difficult reasoning. Do we really want to suppose that for the growth of a country, politicians do not know that investing in culture and research is of fundamental importance? If we take the NON-validity of this concept as established, how do we explain the fact that cuts are always made to culture? It is probably a choice! I'll give an example regarding classical music... As good Italian citizens, most of us pay the RAI license fee in order to benefit from a PUBLIC service. Using a public service means that such service must be free from any political current and that the content broadcast by the station must be aimed solely and exclusively at the "improvement" of the living condition (whether physical or mental) of the paying citizen who uses it. Now, on RAI, in the schedule during the hours when viewership share is at its peak, there are the usual tricks: often copies of other American shows, or soap operas and TV series. At 4:30 in the morning, a classical music concert or a cultural program (which probably no one will ever see). However, there is another point to make: if the schedule were changed today and cultural programs were put in the afternoon, at lunchtime, or during prime time, RAI would have to close because the people are now so accustomed and brainwashed that they would no longer appreciate content of a certain depth; no one would watch it, advertising would no longer be sold, and we all know the rest. If we consider that there are people who pay Mediaset about 100 euros to watch Big Brother and stay in front of the television even until 4 in the morning to see these imbeciles moving around inside a house, I don't think I've said anything stupid!! If they had broadcast Big Brother in my grandfather's time, they probably would have made the "first media revolution" in history. Therefore, our only hope is that new generations encounter teachers worthy of the name who transmit not so much culture but a passion for knowledge. The idea of not being satisfied with what someone has decided to show us, but going to look for information on our own. This must change in our country. The task of middle and high school teachers must also be to provide succulent tastes of culture so that an individual can find their passion in one of the cultural branches. But there is little sense of responsibility even in this sector because, except for rare cases, teachers, finding themselves fighting students who are on the verge of vandalism and delinquency, give up and live the life of someone who only wants to make it to the end of the month just to receive some money. I see this Italy as very, very bad, from many, too many points of view, but I won't give up; I hope that sooner or later something will change, it must change! Things cannot hold on like this for much longer...

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Reply 27 by LucaCavaliere

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Zazza wrote:

...do you know that from here the step between saying Vivaldi is culture ...and Stockhausen is not ... is very short?

I say that it is already folding back, if the goal is to create culture... there cannot be Serie A culture and Serie B culture. Furthermore, to tell the whole truth, a very high cultural level is required for certain works... hence the race to the bottom all the way to Gigi d'Alessio...

No. There is no "short step" between what I had said and arriving at the conclusion that Vivaldi is culture and Stockhausen is not.

Not a race to the bottom, but a game of progressive milestones. Progressive milestones where my intention would be to provide 'musical education' (and not culture directly).

The quote you later reported from Xenakis's post (who quoted Colombo) I had already read and had already given a 'like'. And I reiterate my like.

Complexity has its charm in many musical works. But to fly high (which I wish for everyone), one must necessarily have flown low first, to rise gradually.

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Reply 28 by Gerardo

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I strongly agree with what Simone wrote, but for the sake of reporting and to prevent further misinformation regarding what is already being heard like a machine gun on TV....

TheSimon wrote:

the majority of us pay the RAI license fee in order to benefit from a PUBLIC service.

...

Now at RAI, in the schedule during the hours where the Share is

http://it.wikipedia....isivo_in_Italia

In Italy, the television license fee or RAI fee is a tax on the possession of devices capable of or adaptable to the reception of radio and television broadcasts within Italian territory.

RAI in the strict sense hasn't had anything to do with it for years (and quite a few), as long as you have a network cable you have to pay... so one does not pay the tax to have the RAI schedule, but to access a television service composed of various schedules (including Mediaset...."So, just to remind you!")....

http://it.wikipedia....isivo_in_Italia

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Reply 29 by Thesimon

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I absolutely disagree, Gerardo, or perhaps you read the Wikipedia link that you also posted very hastily; if you take more time to read, you will realize that you have unintentionally spread misinformation. The fee is called "Television License Fee" or also "RAI License Fee". There must be a reason for the second name... In fact, if you scroll down, you will see that excluding VAT and the government concession tax, the entire amount of the license fee goes into RAI's coffers; it has always been this way. Not by chance, in fact, at the end of the year it often happens to see information about the payment of the license fee on RAI channels; it has never happened to me to see it on Mediaset networks.

Furthermore, it is not true at all that having a network cable is enough to pay... In fact, the license fee should only be paid for radio-television devices; the text states: "A device is considered capable of receiving radio and television signals if, and only if, it natively includes the stages of a complete radio receiver: radio tuner, decoder, and audio/video transducers for television services and audio only for radio services.", furthermore, in another communiqué dated 21/02/2012, it reads: "the payment of the tax is reserved solely for the possession of devices capable of television reception and payment of the license fee has never been requested for other means such as computers, tablets, and smartphones". Therefore, Mediaset does not take a single lira from the RAI license fee, despite my open and well-known aversion to Berlusconi; what is right is right and must be recognized.

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Reply 30 by Gerardo

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Perhaps I didn't explain myself well; you pay because you have a TV and not because you watch RAI.

RAI is only the entity in charge (for historical reasons) of collecting on behalf of the State, but if you decided to have the RAI channels blocked... you would still pay the same.

I never wrote that revenues are being diverted; since time immemorial, taxes are paid to the state... and this is a tax, not compensation for a service (or programming, whatever it may be).

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If you have a network cable, you can potentially watch TV via streaming... therefore, we have to pay

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Reply 31 by Gerardo

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Another example, just to... if you are a SKY subscriber, you have the television. A RAI license fee is due, regardless of whether you watch RAI or not. In fact, it is due even if the television is turned off 365 days a year.

... in the end, the RAI license fee is a possession tax

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Reply 32 by Gerardo

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So, just to remember it!

http://www.faresoldi...o-allesenzione/

This is because the Rai subscription has been transformed into a TV subscription, meaning you pay for the possession of the television and not the Rai license fee.

To make a long story short, simply by changing the term 'Rai' to 'TV', one can no longer escape the annual tax that is paid to the revenue agency (Agenzia delle Entrate) and no longer directly to Rai.

What many do not know, however, is that there are certain categories of citizens who are exempt from paying the TV tax.

http://www.faresoldi...o-allesenzione/

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Reply 33 by Gerardo

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The "interesting" data

All those who, having reached 75 years of age before the deadline for the payment of the license fee itself, live alone or with a spouse, and have a total income not exceeding € 6713.98, are entitled to an exemption from the payment of the Rai License fee.

You can't escape it!

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Reply 35 by Gerardo

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TheSimon wrote:

if you wanted to, you spread misinformation

No, there are those who, if they wanted to, truly spread misinformation ...and not in a niche forum but on the level of the collective imagination

It's clear I am not addressing you, Simone

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Reply 36 by Marzapane

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In my opinion, programming schedules depend on advertising revenue; the more a program draws an audience and gains market share, the more likely it is to be scheduled in order to attract sponsors... but which ultimately end up taking it out on final consumers by raising the prices of end products.

Therefore, if everyone, when faced with two choices, chose art, those who get rich making television would have no doubts about broadcasting programs like “Lo dice Bollani” in prime time.

But since it actually draws less than other things, programs like this are scheduled at less profitable times....

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Reply 37 by Zazza

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LucaCavaliere wrote:

that of doing ‘musical education’

Well, the issue changes, but it can also be done without involving Vivaldi

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Reply 38 by LucaCavaliere

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Zazza wrote:

Then the issue changes, but it can also be done without bothering Vivaldi

i don't understand...

Vivaldi (The Four Seasons) was just an example, not so random.

But why worry about not bothering him?... I think he would be proud to be "bothered" for something so beautiful

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Reply 39 by Thesimon

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Ok, now you have said something different from what you said before, but in any case the meaning does not change and remains partly incorrect. That the license fee is a tax on the possession of the television set, we agree. If you have the television even if it is turned off or broken, you must pay it, but the revenues, with the exception of VAT and TCG, go to RAI to pay for the over 13,000 employees and on this I assure you there is no doubt. I continue to reiterate that having a fast internet connection does not imply that you must pay the license fee. The license fee must be paid only and exclusively for devices capable of receiving audio/video radio frequencies. You must pay the license fee only if you have connected a DVB-T dongle to your PC, and thus if you transform it into a television. There is no law that binds those who have an internet connection to also have to pay the RAI license fee, I can assure you of this. I will also leave you with a link where the matter is explained very well, also quoting parts of RAI press releases that clarify exactly this position. http://www.webnews.it/2012/02/21/canone-rai-pc-tv/

http://www.webnews.it/2012/02/21/canone-rai-pc-tv/

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Reply 40 by Gerardo

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TheSimon wrote:

the revenues, with the exception of VAT and TCG, go to RAI to pay for the over 13,000 employees and on this I assure you there is no doubt.

I, on the other hand, have my doubts, in the sense that RAI is a state entity; I pay the state which passes the funds to RAI like it does for other entities... so formally I no longer see a direct connection. Furthermore, the license fee might be insufficient to cover everything that needs to be covered and obviously, as Marzapane reminds us, the engine is advertising.... which happens to be something that once was not proposed on RAI or was in a truly insignificant amount. Now it essentially has an intensity equal to other television networks... (the commercials are even identical... except for those pro-"cause"....)

Ok regarding the network cable discussion, actually mine was just a hyperbole to say that you pay regardless of whether RAI exists; it could even close and you still have to pay, employees or not....

In case of an eventual closure of RAI, the money continues to end up in the state coffers... then they are free (if the voters who confirm via voting the politicians who decide in such a sense agree) to pass them to the most "needy" entities...

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