Vivaldi (The Four Seasons) was just an example, not that random.
But that is not the point; one cannot delude oneself into thinking they are creating musical culture by "only" providing musical education...the introduction of an Art or Classical music composer into the discussion confirms this reasoning.
It would be quite something if Vivaldi weren't happy, but I would be too... but that wasn't the initial point, and after having educated someone on the Four Seasons, you will make them listen to the music of a contemporary of Vivaldi, which requires different knowledge, and you would be back at square one. Precisely because the point of view is not cultural, but educational.
And I assure you it is not that simple, even the transition from Vivaldi --> Bach... let alone anything else.
Therefore, let us educate through singing, rhythm, listening... let us educate, educate. But when it comes to culture, the music changes immediately and, I will repeat myself, there are primarily professionals who have no desire to go beyond a certain limit... because why should an ordinary person?
I, on the other hand, have my doubts, in the sense that RAI is a state entity; I pay the state, which then passes the funds to RAI like it does for other entities... so formally I no longer see a direct connection. Moreover, the license fee might be insufficient to cover everything that needs to be spent and obviously, as Marzapane reminds us, the engine is advertising.... which, coincidentally, was not proposed on RAI once or was present in a truly insignificant amount. Now it essentially has an intensity equal to other television networks... (the commercials are even identical... except for the pro-"cause" ones....)
Yes, sure, absolutely agree, certainly the revenue belongs to the state which then passes it on and the commercials highly profitably finance the economic cycle, but anyway RAI is a public entity so we are talking about the same thing; in fact, there is an office (RAI subscription office) that deals specifically with the license fee.
Ok regarding the network cable discussion, actually mine was just a hyperbole to say that you pay regardless of whether RAI exists, it could even close and you still have to pay, employees or not....
In case of an eventual closure of RAI, the money continues to end up in the state coffers... then they are free (if the voters who confirm via voting the politicians who decide in this sense agree) to pass them to the most "needy" entities...
Certainly, the name RAI is a "justification" for where this money ends up. The economic cycles that are actually carried out... and who can know them? I rely anyway on official statements in which it is declared that, excluding VAT and Government Concession Tax, the rest all goes to RAI. Anyway, tomorrow I will ask my uncle who works in one of the statistical agencies that do the math for the state, assuming he knows anything about it. If so, I will let you know.
Anyway, let's try to get back on topic since we drifted away a good while ago... My mea culpa
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Reply 43 by Gerardo
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TheSimon wrote:
Anyway, let's try to get back on topic since we wandered off a good while ago... I'll take the blame
Ok, but I think it is relevant to the fact that it is the masses who decide the programs, based on consumption.... like every market.
TV is at the end of the chain, so it is upstream where one should work... in such a way that afterwards one can choose towards a TV of culture and not of low-quality entertainment.
That is exactly what I was referring to. Society has become so deteriorated by now that it is unthinkable to just sit down and improvise a new musical or cultural pedagogy, if you will. This is also because this deterioration occurred over the years, and the culprits of this chaos are not only the institutions, the media, and teachers, but also parents who, whether due to work requirements or their own shortcomings, have not guided their children toward the path of culture.
Ok, but I think it is relevant to the extent that it is the masses who decide the programs, based on consumption.... like any market.
TV is at the end of the chain, so it is upstream where work should be done ... in such a way that afterwards one can choose towards a TV of culture and not of poor entertainment.
This is on topic
Absolutely on topic, in fact in my first post I said exactly this, namely that if RAI were to start broadcasting cultural programs in prime time it would be a huge success because the Italian population has now been shaped to enjoy Big Brother!
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Reply 46 by Gerardo
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TheSimon wrote:
if RAI were to start broadcasting cultural programs in prime time, it would make
That was exactly the point, not just RAI... because from my point of view they are all in the same boat and share a large market, so any potential "faults" as well. Honors and burdens.
It's a pity that over the last 20 years, behind the two largest television networks, there could be the influence of the same entity in a dual "role"; incidentally, both "roles" benefit from an ignorant populace.
...Family and School are the engine of a comeback!
And within the school system is where the State as such should step in! ... the rest is left to those who have to keep the cart moving. But do they or are they required to have the necessary skills?
But that's not the point, one cannot delude oneself into thinking that musical culture can be built by doing "only" music education...
you are right. One cannot delude oneself about that.
But music education (which I see as the education of an attentive-passionate-critical sensibility towards what is musical) is the foundation: the 'good soil' on which culture can then flourish (soil for cultivation!), if you will allow me this metaphor.
I don't know what your field of operation is. I am an ordinary person, with limited musical culture, who listens mainly to tonal music, pre-tonal music and, in any case, "retrograde" music.
I too hope for what you hope for in terms of widespread musical culture. But given the current state of Italy, it seems like a huge dream to me.
So here it is: what I can do is prepare the ground (in the ways I mentioned in my first post in this discussion).
Then, for culture, I pass the baton to others who are better prepared.
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Reply 49 by aaa
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I find commendable initiatives like the one described by Corriere della Sera laudable
«We want to make great music heard by making it engaging, so that those who listen, even without specific preparation, understand and have fun. We wish to propose a culture that is both education and recreation: entertainment and inner and intellectual growth together»
Compliments to The Simon; even though it is a performance of banal music, I feel the jazz slithering through the phrasing of his fingers, and this is a gift of nature.
I thank you, Modale. I have never ventured into Jazz and consider myself a perfect ignoramus on the subject, so I am forced to trust your words without having any arguments to counter them.
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Natural gift in music is like the body of a beautiful girl: you can even dress her up in a lot of trash, she will always look beautiful.
Being one of the first members, I have been here for a few years and I have heard many things that you have published, all always of the highest level both technically and interpretatively. I have also appreciated your musical growth, initially perhaps a bit unrefined but now, thanks also to the passing years, always very measured, moving, and intelligent.
Right, The Simon has dressed himself in cultured classical music, but underneath......underneath he has a jazz imprint that I don't often happen to hear in those dedicated to classical music.
