Composition

How do you compose?

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Opening post by campanella700

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Hello everyone guys, a question...
I believe I understand that in this forum there are students, composers but also simply music lovers; the question is for the 2nd category

How do you compose?
How do you manage to reach the final goal of "completing" the composition? What is the incipit from which everything starts: a theme? An idea? How do you develop it all?...

I am not familiar with this subject or this process (composition): is it your practice to build the piece on the instrument, or does the "writing" of the music happen directly on the staff or through some software?
I mean, does it happen "directly" on the instrument, or can this process be built (after, for example, having studied the subject) without the necessary need for the instrument, and thus it is only used to listen to the final result? To "correct", eventually, rather than to "compose", well....

Thank you very much for your answers

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Reply 2 by Dante

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I would decouple editorial needs from compositional ones; there are still those who opt for the manuscript and those who opt for music notation software (Finale, Sibelius, Dorico, etc.).

Having said this, I would say that the compositional method is personal and often also linked to the sound result one wants to achieve... so it depends

If you want to use a cello scratch, how would you do it using the piano or the usual Sibelius? Either you are a cellist or, if I may say so, you have to use your ear... but this also applies if you have to write a chorale in the Bach style

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Reply 3 by AbateFaria

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Some ideas;)

https://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/2766-luso-del-pianoforte-nel-processo-compositivo
https://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/3410-processo-creativocompositivo-basico-basico
https://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/3871-cosa-comporre
https://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/2504-elaborazione-narrativita-e-conseguenzialita-nella-musica
https://www.pianoconcerto.it/forum/index.php?/topic/2062-il-grande-problema-della-creativita

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Reply 4 by campanella700

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AbateFaria wrote:

Thank you very much for the ideas and I apologize if I didn't find them myself, but it is always difficult for me to manage to find topics on various subjects among tags and such; thanks again

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Reply 5 by AbateFaria

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campanella700 wrote:

Thank you very much for the ideas and I apologize if I didn't find them myself, but it is always difficult for me to manage to find topics on various subjects among tags and such; thanks again

Don't mention it... I linked them to make your search easier. I reread a couple of topics and objectively they are a bit 'bloodletting'

Jokes aside, many issues are addressed seriously

Reply 6 by Historical author

Hello Campanella700,

If it might be useful to you, I have just published a post on how to compose music on the piano.

You can read it in full at this link:

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Reply 7 by pianoexpert

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If I may, I would like to bring the discussion to another level. I should preface that I am not a composer. I am only a piano graduate (or rather, today one would say a degree holder, according to the old system) and therefore I have only passed the complementary harmony exam, as all pianists do. Subsequently, I studied a 4th-year program in principal harmony, which I did not take. Both in the complementary and principal courses, it is a "fairly" primitive thing to know how to harmonize a melody or a bass line, first in writing and then, perhaps at the piano, always observing the main, few, and "sound" rules that are part of our DNA as musicians (no parallel fifths and octaves, the third is not omitted and not doubled, the fifth can be doubled and can be omitted, etc.). Then we discover that there can be a chord on every degree of the scale and that with this sufficient little "game" we can use the "harmonized scale"... then we can evaluate and classify seventh chords, framing everything within a richer harmony, etc. If we venture into the sonorities of the '1900s'... everything even shatters; harmonic hierarchies and monarchies fall. The tonic is no longer the King, the dominant is no longer the Prime Minister, the third of the chord (which decides the mode) is no longer the Queen, and... the leading tone... is no longer the Sovereign's lover. Even in other application modes of modern harmony, such as jazz, ninths, thirteenths, and so on appear, which flavor the dish of melodies that are dated and revisited for the umpteenth time. Even in Blues, some notes of the melody become uncertain, oscillating, dancing, vibrating, especially in the human voice and/or in instruments with non-fixed pitch. Music, as Massimo Mila metaphorically describes it—as a girl with all legs and few curves—becomes an interesting mature woman, with great charm and elegance.

This boring preface of mine is to maintain that we are in an era of Music where one must renounce the "banal" and truly not confuse it with "simplicity." Various Allevi and Einaudi think they are imposing a simple Music accessible to everyone, and those who approach to taste their music finally find it accessible. Obviously, one learns quickly and thinks that banality and the exasperated repetition of musical figures finally open new horizons. In airports, in stations, at all the Musikmessen in Frankfurt... one often hears people trying to play Einaudi's "waves"... I would almost say, observing the pianist, with an effort and a "transport" similar to that produced by a Chopin ballad. This is a widespread and cunningly commercial phenomenon: making people believe they are saying something easy and interesting, directed mainly at those approaching Music for the first time. I see several socio-cultural disadvantages in these operations. First of all, a distancing from true knowledge of Music and Art. A confusion sown among new generations of aspiring musicians and the public. A refusal to understand or at least to approach the study of musical structures, in whatever mode they present themselves (classical, pop, rock, jazz, etc.) in order to embrace precisely "easy banality."

One must consider the necessity of having the "tools," the implements, and having the knowledge to use them. Therefore, it is difficult or almost impossible to suggest to a simple "music lover" how to conclude a composition, how to manage it, or how to start it, etc. It is not enough to apply a recipe or a sequence of operations; just as to pilot an airplane, it is not enough to have a pilot near us telling us which buttons and levers to use to bring that "beast" down... without risking getting hurt. Instead, I hope for an ever-increasing approach to study and to the Masters who can transmit notions and knowledge (even if not always strictly academic) and, above all, who can instill and transmit, despite the "do-it-yourself" attitude, their precious experiences.

Do not hold it against me for these "established" convictions of mine. Thank you for reading me for so long.

Happy studying to everyone.

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