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The Death Of Beethoven

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Reply 41 by danielescarpetti

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Fenice wrote:

I would never have thought it; as far as I know, there was bad blood between the two... am I wrong?

Schubert had no luck at all during his lifetime, only small concerts in private salons with a few friends, no academy, and many of his works were known and published only after his death, largely thanks to Schumann. This meant that in the Vienna of that time, composers such as Johann Nepomuk Hummel, Joseph Weigl, and the Bohemian Adalbert Gyrowetz were much more famous, all of whom were present at the funeral alongside the unrecognized Schubert.

The great Austrian composer, initially influenced by his teacher Salieri—who had previously been Beethoven's teacher as well—and by a limited knowledge of Beethovenian music, had strong doubts and perplexities regarding certain Beethovenian expressive violences and the shocks he dealt to traditional forms. Significant in this regard is an excerpt from his diary dated June 16, 1816, on the occasion of a concert held in honor of Salieri by his students: « It must be beautiful and comforting for an artist to see all his students gathered around him, each striving to do their best. To hear in all those compositions the expression of a pure nature, free from the eccentricity frequently found in today's composers, which is due solely to one of our greatest German artists; that eccentricity which unites and confuses the tragic with the comic, the pleasant with the repulsive, the heroic with the terrible, the sacred with the buffoonish, without distinction, to stimulate people toward malice instead of instilling love in them, inciting them to unrestrained laughter instead of raising them to God. » It is quite evident that, although not naming him, Schubert was alluding to Beethoven.

Later, greater maturity and greater knowledge led him to radically change his mind, though—as seen in the phrase spoken after his death—his final compositions remained not entirely comprehensible to him, even while recognizing their enormous and unreachable greatness. Furthermore, Schubert was an extremely timid man, and all these matters meant that he always felt a strong sense of awe toward this preeminent personality, toward this artist who had known how to impose himself through the sole force of his genius.

Beethoven, for his part, had no way of knowing anything about the music of his unfortunate colleague, and there are many doubts regarding an eventual meeting between them. Nothing is reported in the Conversation Books in this regard, but if one is to believe the usual Schindler—who has told countless tall tales about Beethoven—it seems there was a single encounter between the two in 1822, when Schubert presented to Beethoven the "8 Variations on a French Song for Piano Four Hands" composed in 1818. Thus wrote Schindler: « (...) The timid and moreover taciturn artist appeared in an unfavorable light, despite being accompanied by Diabelli who, in presenting him, tried to interpret his feelings toward the master (...) Beethoven quickly scanned the copy presented to him and encountered a harmonic error. With gentle words, he drew the young man's attention to that error, hurrying however to add that it was not at all a mortal sin; but Schubert, perhaps precisely because of the kindness of the observation, completely lost control of himself. Only when he was outside the door did he regain his composure and reproach himself harshly. He never again had the courage to present himself to the master. »

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Reply 42 by OrlandiArmando

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Perhaps the encounter had been written in the notebooks that the fool destroyed "post-mortem Beethoven"..... perhaps in these rare lost notebooks, a rendezvous that happened by chance was described in detail—who knows, maybe at LIDL, since it doesn't seem to me that Beethoven was a COOP member. Schindler's fantasy (and also his bad taste) is only matched by his posture as a funeral undertaker/dickhead, as witnessed by the daguerreotype that "Beethoven's friend"—as he loved to call himself—had made..... how sad... to have the title of "friend of someone"... which is the annihilation of the self for the vain hope of making a decent memory of one's own person survive. Vain hope! Perhaps Schindler was a television reality star ante litteram, a Costantino Vitaliano at the court of Vienna's De Filippi...

Ok, enough nonsense and let's get to the point: still speaking of this feral, funerary, and lugubrious subject, in Luigi's vast library, here is found a document unique in its kind and definitive: The report of the exhumation of the bodies of Beethoven and Schubert that took place at the Währing cemetery where they were initially buried, west of Vienna. In 1863 (October 13th), Beethoven's body was indeed exhumed, studied, and reburied. His skull was acquired by the Austrian physician Romeo Seligmann to create a model, which is still preserved at the "Center for Beethoven Studies" at San José State University in California. His remains were relocated to the Zentralfriedhof in 1888. I am attaching the JPEG of the first page. You will find the complete document in PDF on my website at this address. The book is signed by the famous Dr. Breuning, whom we know perfectly well. It includes the measurements of the surviving bones, as well as their number and position in the coffin. These are the fundamental documents: the true written word. Without "Schindlerian" (an ugly but effective neologism) flights of fancy.

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Reply 44 by OrlandiArmando

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Dear friends,

Three good years after this topic, Luigi and I are sketching out a new section of the site, making available many images, period books, documents etc... that are truly interesting regarding Beethoven's death and his two exhumations, many of which are impossible to find. In fact, due to their quantity and quality, they would deserve space on a dedicated website. Everything is still very provisional, and we still need to add at least twenty new photographs. If anyone has any material to suggest to us, we are available; you will see many completely unpublished things, and keep in mind that everything (music above all) must be reviewed.

A hug to everyone,

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The links are these: (not yet publicly visible)

http://www.lvbeethoven.it/Articoli/1827/Beethoven-Articoli-1827_Immagini.html

http://www.lvbeethoven.it/Articoli/1827/Beethoven-Articoli-1827.html

http://www.lvbeethoven.it/Articoli/1827/Beethoven-Articoli-1827_Orazioni_Funebri.html

http://www.lvbeethoven.it/Articoli/1827/Beethoven-Articoli-1827_Monumento.html

http://www.lvbeethoven.it/Articoli/1827/Beethoven-Articoli-1827_Riesumazioni.html

http://www.lvbeethoven.it/Articoli/1827/Beethoven-Articoli-1827_Immagini_Attuali.html

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