at least Marco won't go, come on Faith No More.
And I keep thinking (but I'm telling this to Daniele) that classical and highbrow music should NOT be saved. The death of art has been preached for centuries and it has never happened.
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at least Marco won't go, come on Faith No More.
And I keep thinking (but I'm telling this to Daniele) that classical and highbrow music should NOT be saved. The death of art has been preached for centuries and it has never happened.
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Are we saying it's autoimmune? Ironizing.
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And I, Claudio, can only hope that you are right.
It is certain that - it is a fact, at least in our country - the old users are not being replaced by new ones, with all the consequences that entails.
What I fear is that it becomes a niche within a niche, a study tool for a few specialists.
But, I repeat, I hope you are right, Claudio!
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I would make the parallel with the classics of literature, it all fits. Let's take Dante as an example...
When kids in high school prepare to study Dante, they have it written all over their faces: - What a drag!! How heavy!! -. I did it too.
Then you study him and it doesn't take much to fall in love to the point that a frequent reader of Fabio Volo who had never read Dante recognizes true literary genius in him. The study of the structure of the Divine Comedy, and some cantos, made me reflect deeply on life and the afterlife, touching upon thoughts I would never have reached without the spark provided by the Divine Comedy. In many parts I was moved, in others I rejoiced; the last canto of Paradise is memorable! That is true Italian literature!!
For certain things, however, imposition from above is necessary, otherwise the beginning will never start due to the will of the students. I make the same consideration regarding classical music and say: - Serious musical education is needed to be able to understand highbrow music, otherwise one will always think with a face that says: "What a drag!! How heavy!!".
But Dante is still there because it was understood many years after his death that he is "the supreme poet" and that knowing him is of extreme cultural importance. This does not mean that Fabio Volo is terrible, it just means that the history of Italian literature is in Dante, just as the history of music will always remain in Beethoven, Mozart, and the other classics, because it is inherent in them. And here I break a lance in favor of Claudio. Classical and highbrow music will never dissolve.
Obviously today styles have changed to meet an audience with different needs; some of these paths take trends into account, others go hand in hand with new technological discoveries; hence the birth of electronic music and the electroacoustic research of Stockhausen, Berio, Nono, etc. There are many paths to follow, but what must be defeated is the repulsion of the masses towards highbrow music by using education as a weapon, just as is done with Dante in literature... By studying it seriously.
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Marco plays in a band, they do... complex things, close to rock but very creative. And recently they included a sampled monologue of Marino Zuccheri in one of their pieces.
Does anyone know who Marino Zuccheri is? :-)
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I have certainly written about this somewhere here; you all have a better memory than I do in that regard: for me, the Copernican 'turning point' was knowing and frequenting musicians who did not have a classical background or had a classical background AND a rock background. Some of the discussions in this topic (and, alas, many others inspired by Sanremo...) develop the subtext that, in one way or another, 1) those who make and 2) those who listen to pop-rock music are somehow "minor" compared to those who make and listen to "art" music.
Is it a case that we listen to "art" music?
With this line of reasoning, we are saying that "we are better than others" and we struggle immensely to say otherwise because it is difficult to think that someone who appreciates "bad" music can be as intelligent or cultured as someone who appreciates "beautiful" music. It's always, always, always the same old story. In a new thread, the user Lowseling, who looks to be about 18 years old from their photo, has already started writing that music is in decline... those who study classical music are EDUCATED to think that only classical music is worthy of being studied and listened to. It has become a sort of rite of passage for a snobbish elite that, in order to defend itself, always cries out that it is in danger...
Now I am opening a new thread against the grain...
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In this regard, I have had experiences that confirmed the opposite of what you are saying (but I am not saying that what you wrote is not true; on the contrary, throughout my life I have accumulated nonsense precisely from certain people who, as it happens, are or were part of the "classical" music world, and they invented all sorts of excuses, being truly "creative" in this regard) namely, they would tell me "the music you listen to doesn't make a splash" (we were talking about Bach), or "this is real music" (we were talking about hardcore, which to me is as ridiculous as it gets). Until a certain age, I even lived as if the enjoyment of this music were a world apart (the "classical" section was and always has been the quietest in music stores and, I would add, one gets the feeling that the people who frequent it are a bit too detached from those around them), and also with a bit of that feeling (which still hasn't left me) that made me think "these people don't know what they're missing," all while appreciating music of other genres from time to time; one thing I would like to do would be to write a beautiful piece for almost every genre, it would always be you in different "guises."